Non-Matching Engine Value Affect

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Miniwerks

I think we need another scale like the Hagerty valuation but call it "investment condition 1-4". I like investment grade drivers. If you need a battery tender you are not driving enough in my opinion but that's just me. Easy for me to say though, living in Northern California.

The problem with that is you are asking someone to predict the future. If you had asked 3 years ago, or even 2 years ago, whether a 912 was a good investment in a vintage car most would have laughed at you. Who is the expert that determines these things that all would trust as knowing enough to be the benchmark for all of us?

When I bought my 67 912 I was pretty sure I wasn't going to lose any money on it. But I didn't really have an expectation to make more than a 50% profit on the thing by the time I sold it. I doubt anyone would have.

[Nick Triesch]

Why does it cost $10-12,000 to rebuild a 912 motor?? They are really a Type 1 Bug motor. Just a little bit different.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Nick Triesch

Why does it cost $10-12,000 to rebuild a 912 motor?? They are really a Type 1 Bug motor. Just a little bit different.

Porsche tax?

Most of it is labor and machine shop work. Maybe the VW mechanics charge $50/hr while the Porsche mechanics are charging $125/hr.

To do it right, every single one needs the crank turned or a new crank. They need the rods balanced. They need the valve guides replaced and the spark plug holes welded up. They need the cylinders refurbished or replaced. The list goes on and on.

Go get a real bid on a 2.7 911 engine these days. $15k all day long.

[Ronnie's.930]

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[Miniwerks]

That's hysterical.

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[Miniwerks]

Hijacked my own post. I listed the 912 for Dennis on Pelican this afternoon, sold in about .5 seconds. Headed for the Bay Area. Glad that worked out. Still on the hunt for the next one.

[Nick Triesch]

I know the 912 motor is a little different than a Type ! motor but you still have to do all that stuff on a Bug motor rebuild. And it is still a tiny 75-90 HP motor. Same skill lever as a Bug. $12,000? That would be stealing.

[matt930s]

Originally Posted by Nick Triesch

I know the 912 motor is a little different than a Type ! motor but you still have to do all that stuff on a Bug motor rebuild. And it is still a tiny 75-90 HP motor. Same skill lever as a Bug. $12,000? That would be stealing.

I wonder if the 356 crowd *****es about that?

MattR

[ficke]

type 1 vw P/c's are about $300
356 P/c's are about $2,200.
There is a huge difference in part cost between VW and Porsche.

[ficke]

Comparing a Porsche engine to a VW engine is like comparing a Nascar engine to a run of the SBC, they are similar in layout but quit a bit different in important details and about $20,000

[mattC2993]

There are no repro cases, carbs or heads. Main bearings run $500 - $600. You can buy cheap P&C sets but lots of other the other parts are quite expensive. I don't think you can buy an aftermarket set of rods or a crank for under $1200 ea.

[CountD]

I had a '55 Oval window Bug that had a built 1776cc with dual carbs - and it smoked the '63 356 I once had. You can still get a tremendous value out of a VW engine - even if built right with all the right stuff.

[COLB]

Originally Posted by Miniwerks

Hijacked my own post. I listed the 912 for Dennis on Pelican this afternoon, sold in about .5 seconds. Headed for the Bay Area. Glad that worked out. Still on the hunt for the next one.

I saw that in the marketplace.

I think someone got a steal on that car.

Good luck with your search.

[CountD]

Wow. But it really looked like a nice car. I don't know when I saw a soft window that looked that nice. Still big money compared to four years ago, but that's the game I guess.

[Miniwerks]

I think Steve will be very happy with the car, just needs a good detail, fresh tires and apply for one of the black license plates then enjoy. I have to do that for my 66. Just need to figure out the right sequence of letters for the car. There is probably a post somewhere on that.

[Nick Triesch]

OK the Porsche parts are more expensive but the skill level to rebuild one is the same . A good VW mechanic should be able to do it no problem. I think I would just remove the 356 motor and install a nice built 1800 cc type 1 motor for a fraction of the cost and keep the 356 motor. That would be a fun 912!

[Nick Triesch]

Ficke, I owned a 356b for ten years. I have also owned many mid 60's Bugs. Both cars would do 0-60 in about 18 seconds. So NASCAR they are not! They are all slow Bugs!

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Nick Triesch

I think I would just remove the 356 motor and install a nice built 1800 cc type 1 motor for a fraction of the cost and keep the 356 motor. That would be a fun 912!

Now, why didn't Porsche think of that ?




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Wait a minute, they already did.

[COLB]

Originally Posted by pmax

Now, why didn't Porsche think of that ?




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Wait a minute, they already did.

Porsche 914?

[Matt Monson]

When 356 Cs were $10k cars we put 912 engines in them all day long. It's part of why there are so many cars without their original engine. Buy a wrecked 912 at auction for $2500. Put the engine into a 356, parts and labor, $4000. Free everything else that fits on a 901 chassis.