Theory on why BAT gets higher prices than Ebay

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by DCAlbarran

BaT winners can back out an lose only the buyers premium, but I have only heard of it happening once, with over 1000 auctions).

lol, how would you know if someone backed out or not?

I know of several, including buyers that recently backed out TWICE on the same car! (same car, 2 auctions, 2 different buyers, both backed out).

[DCAlbarran]

Originally Posted by McLovin

lol, how would you know if someone backed out or not?

I know of several, including buyers that recently backed out TWICE on the same car! (same car, 2 auctions, 2 different buyers, both backed out).

I can remember one that was relisted due to a buyer backing out. Just the one. Can there have been more? Yes, I just haven't seen/heard about them, and I follow BaT pretty closely as an entertainment source. My point being that eBay is a 3rd world flea market compared to BaT. Much more transparency, however forced by the community/commenters.

[Rick Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by McLovin

lol, how would you know if someone backed out or not?

I know of several, including buyers that recently backed out TWICE on the same car! (same car, 2 auctions, 2 different buyers, both backed out).

Now you got us curious. Please, do tell.

[ohenryinatlanta]

Originally Posted by DCAlbarran

I wouldn't think the eBay sales even make a valid data point as these are not always completed sales. Search sold vehicles, and you'll see that a particular vehicle may have been "sold" on eBay 3 or 4 times, then relisted. These winning bids are non-binding, whereas sales on BaT and live auctions are.

notice the same.

it is almost like there are scam bidders just bidding stuff up (not affiliated with the seller) just doing it for fun ?

i have no confidence that i am bidding against another real bidder on ebay

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Rick Brooklyn

Now you got us curious. Please, do tell.

The white E30 325i with the transplanted 6 cylinder engine was listed twice, both times the buyers backed out. That was in the last month or two.

There have been several others. The thing is, you generally can't tell if the sale was consummated or not. There's usually no way to know.

I've noticed more "reserves not met." There were a couple today.

And it also doesn't seem like prices are as high recently. Closer to market. But still generally on the high side.

I'm curious as to the long term of BaT. It's interesting to follow as a business.

[artie_nash]

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS HERE: Shill bidding is rampant on eBay...I'm convinced the "powers that be" are so overwhelmed they've more-or-less given up on controlling it...The best advice I can give for controlling same is to use the (admittedly cumbersome) option to pre-approve bidders and only doing so after you are satisfied of their legitimacy and ability and willingness to follow through with the transaction...There is such a wealth of data on eBay that can be so very useful but somebody has to comb through it AND INTERPRET IT...I'm assuming most people here realize the simple value of doing a Google search on EVERYTHING associated with any given auction or listing or transaction...A simple search of the VIN will often reveal at least a portion of the good, the bad and the ugly of any given vehicle...Right click those pictures and use the "Search Google for image" function...In my opinion and experience getting even a modest deposit from your prospective buyer as early in the transaction as possible will go a LONG way toward actually closing the deal...I am also of the mind the comments on BaT serve a vital function...Most BaT users actually read with comprehension and answer direct questions, which is not always the case with eBay users...RTN/XXX/OOO

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by artie_nash

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS HERE: Shill bidding is rampant on eBay...I'm convinced the "powers that be" are so overwhelmed they've more-or-less given up on controlling it...The best advice I can give for controlling same is to use the (admittedly cumbersome) option to pre-approve bidders and only doing so after you are satisfied of their legitimacy and ability and willingness to follow through with the transaction...

This doesn't make sense to me. Usually the shill bidders work for the seller and jacking up the price. I think you are trying to keep out deadbeat bidders. I've never seen them called shills before.

[sugarwood]

Yea, sounds like the word he meant to use was flake, non-paying, and/or deadbeat bidder.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

I felt he was the one being a dick. The "thanks" was facetious, as I interpreted it, and was emphasized by the anecdotal dig.

Want me to step in and apply some correction or can you handle it?

I see one 20 post newb that needs a tune up. Perhaps, a good talking to.

I prolly won't do a damned thing given recent history, but I like to sound tough.

Vicious air punches..............

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Want me to step in and apply some correction . . .

Perhaps, a good talking to.

^^^

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

Delbert Grady is a bowse.

Like, THE bowse.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

^^^

No doubt about that right thar!

[maninblack]

Shill bidding is actually incredibly rare on ebay. You'd be surprised at the lengths they go to to combat issues such as this.

Deadbeats are another story. Hard to control them but they're still the exception and not the rule.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

^^^

No doubt about that right thar!

Delbert don't throw air punches.

He remedies incorrect situations with a very few words.

Trivia: Delbert was the Dad of the lead character in A Clockwork Orange. Hence, the Kubrick connection which got him the role for the monumental Shining scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0_SYZJfzU

Djs36345 talking at 1:40 in. Then sugarwood unloads.

[sugarwood]

Yes, i thought they have algorithms to see if the same bidders are biding on the same seller repeatedly... You'd constantly need to create new accounts, and then pad them with ratings points.. This is done by purchasing lots of $1 items... At the least, it needs to be an organized plan for a flipper. One time seller can just ask his friends to bid.

[matt930s]

My fav Kubrick flick, they predicted iPads/tablets....

[Matt Monson]

My thoughts drift back to erect nipple wet dreams about Mary Jane Rottencrotch and the great homecoming f fantasy. I am so happy that I am alive, in one piece, and short. I'm in a world of S...yes. But I am alive.

[matt930s]

Originally Posted by matt monson

my thoughts drift back to erect nipple wet dreams about mary jane rottencrotch and the great homecoming f fantasy. I am so happy that i am alive, in one piece, and short. I'm in a world of s...yes. But i am alive.

fmj

[Bob Kontak]

[ohenryinatlanta]

my kid sells jink on fleabay..... deadbeat bidders are a problem. you cannot even leave neg feedback