RSA Accident what is it worth

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Are you sure? I understood it was priced higher than the C2 with the bigger equipment load....

I recall they were hard for the dealers to sell if not equipped with sunroof, a/c and radio.

It was about $10k less than a regulars C2.

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

It was about $10k less than a regulars C2.

Wow. So unlike Porsche - to de-content AND discount.

[JordanPryce]

As opposed to my 2008 Cayman S Sport which was 12k more than a Cayman S when new. Porsche learned about less for more.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by JordanPryce

As opposed to my 2008 Cayman S Sport which was 12k more than a Cayman S when new. Porsche learned about less for more.

What the hell is a Sport? Can you clue me in? I'm wondering if that is what my car is. I didn't get the window sticker, but he told me that the car had over $40k worth of options for nearly a $100k original purchase price.

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by pmax

The RSA fits that less is more Porsche ethos. It was actually priced lower than the Carrera 2 so it was a deal IMO for the suckers who bought them at that time.

This RSA has more and therefore does not fit the 'less is more' Porsche ethos.

The 1993 RSA had a base price of $53,900 as per an original window sticker on Rennlist - vs. around $60,700 for a Carrera 2 coupe.

HOWEVER, after most jokers decided to turn MOST RSAs back into Carrera 2 coupes with AC/Radio/Kitchen Sink then the price of the RSA was around $61,000 - therefore defeating the whole idea of the RSA in the first place. Well, there you go...

[specialtyoneinc]

Is a RSA a real RS is the question...

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

Is a RSA a real RS is the question...

Nope,

[JordanPryce]

OT

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

What the hell is a Sport? Can you clue me in? I'm wondering if that is what my car is. I didn't get the window sticker, but he told me that the car had over $40k worth of options for nearly a $100k original purchase price.

Matt,

The Cayman S Sport was a limited edition car. The first Cayman over 300hp. It had a set of options not available in normal S cars such as GT3 colors/special alcantara interior with GT3 wheel. Mine is Orange. In essence, it was a Cayman R before the R. I think your seller was a little loose with the numbers, mine was optioned with GT2 carbon seats and had a $78K sticker (no navigation). The normal S had a $58K sticker. There were 700 made worldwide, each numbered with a plaque. I've included the original order form. It also had special door sills with the "cayman S Sport" laser etched on them. Mine is going up for sale. I hate to sell it but necessary with the recent acquisition of another RSA.

https://caymanregister.org/faq.php?faq=models#faq_cssport

The order form:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iQEmjBzBy38jnPRgx_wWu0LnOVtutx3L4lRZONdNDCHzykltW zWS5uoO1rVhfiZGZ_Uql9uZgnnpJVMp/view?usp=sharing

[SalParadise]

Cayman S Sport is an awesome car.

[JordanPryce]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

Is a RSA a real RS is the question...

In europe and elsewhere outside of the US, the RS (lightweight and touring versions) were sold to the public as street cars meant to emulate the Carrera Cup cars which were actual racing cars. The ROW RS was offered with options, fancy colors, matching interiors and other lovely details designed to appeal to street fairing Porsche lovers. Touring versions could even be fully optioned with power seats, etc. Yes, it was about 300lbs lighter then the US version and had some cool lightweight/performance parts and 10 more HP. Both cars were not conceived out of some necessity to go faster or to win races. I'm sorry to say that as wonderful as they are, they were "designed" by marketing experts wanting to key into the desires of wannabe racers.

So... when you say it's not a real RS, what you should be saying is it's not a real Cup Car or N/GT car. Actual racing cars, developed to perform on the track and the more appropriate genesis of the 964 racing breed. So if you ask yourself that question, neither the RS (excluding the N/GT variant) or the RSA are "real" Cup Cars. So there.

[Matt Monson]

The 1988 Clubsport was the last proper homologation special 911 from Porsche. Though the 964 C4 lightweights come close. As for the rest of the 964s? As Jordan says, we have Cup Cars now.

The 993 RS variants are more interesting cars by a long shot than any of the C2 RS models except maybe the 3.8.

And thank you for the Cayman primer. Didn't even know that model exists. Mine is not one.

[NYNick]

Brings me back to the 80's and the Clubsport ripoff. Less stuff, same price.
Try to buy one today.
Pigs I tell ya. Pigs.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by NYNick

Brings me back to the 80's and the Clubsport ripoff. Less stuff, same price.
Try to buy one today.
Pigs I tell ya. Pigs.

There's one local here. Guy may be the original owner, if not, he's only the 2nd. He's a member here and up until a few years ago he was still tracking the car. Car ended up getting used as intended, which I think is great.

[pu911]

I'm sorry but you guys are flat out wrong about the 964 RS, it was a true RS in every possible way- seam welded chassis w/o undercoating, thinner glass, rear seat delete, no S/R, special seats, light weight carpets, magnesium wheels, suspension completely redone, close ratio tranny, aluminum hood, turbo brakes. These were the homologation car for the 964 RSR 3.8 just as the 911 RS was the homologation car for the 73 RSR. I'll agree that the RS Touring M002 where not as special but very few of these were made (76) almost all (1916) of the 964 RS were the N/GT lightweight models. There were also 112 (M001) Carrera Cup racing cars and a few M003 competition versions built.
Phil

[Matt Monson]

Phil,

You've outed my hidden bias against 964s. I don't care for them in general and so don't care about the RS variants. I've always felt like the car was a transition more than properly finished. They got the front suspension revised properly but didn't do the rear. They released the 3.6 with all kinds of issues and hadn't full sorted the engine either. And they geared them all like shyte, including the RS versions. The RS isn't really much of a close ratio gearbox. They pulled the mainshaft and first and 2nd from from the turbo and used 3-4-5 from the C2. And they got that useless 20/100 LSD. I will 100% agree with your assertion that it's an actual RS variant. It's just not one that does it for me.

I do buy that the 3.8 version was a homologation car, but the regular 3.6 RS has no real place in getting cars certified to race. By the 964 Porsche already had the one make Carrera Cup series in place, and the racecars predate the RS street version. They made the 964 RS to market and sell based on the Cup Car, which is reverse of the 73RS. The 73 road going car was to be able to make the racecars for FIA classes.

[JordanPryce]

Oh Matt, the 964 must be the best of the classic 911s. Great styling with enough modernity to really use it (FI, good HVAC, airbags). Personally I think that the 964 is a much better looking car than the 993 inside and out.

[Matt Monson]

What you love about it is what I don't like about it. It's in between the modern and the classic. It's not enough of either for me. I'd rather drive a same year 928 or 968 than a 964.

[group911@aol.co]

Originally Posted by pu911

I'm sorry but you guys are flat out wrong about the 964 RS, it was a true RS in every possible way- seam welded chassis w/o undercoating, thinner glass, rear seat delete, no S/R, special seats, light weight carpets, magnesium wheels, suspension completely redone, close ratio tranny, aluminum hood, turbo brakes. These were the homologation car for the 964 RSR 3.8 just as the 911 RS was the homologation car for the 73 RSR. I'll agree that the RS Touring M002 where not as special but very few of these were made (76) almost all (1916) of the 964 RS were the N/GT lightweight models. There were also 112 (M001) Carrera Cup racing cars and a few M003 competition versions built.
Phil

Phil
What was the M003 version?
Do you have these numbers for the 993 cars?

[pu911]

Bob,

The M003 was essentially a Carrera cup approved for road use, 290 were built. A race converted US cup is basically a M003 that can be street driven in US. I don't have 993 production figures at my finger tips but I can probably dig them out one my books.

Phil

[group911@aol.co]

Phil
That'd be great if you find them.

Originally Posted by pu911

Bob,

The M003 was essentially a Carrera cup approved for road use, 290 were built. A race converted US cup is basically a M003 that can be street driven in US. I don't have 993 production figures at my finger tips but I can probably dig them out one my books.

Phil