Coupe M/T RWD non-Turbo 964 vs. 993 average/daily condition

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

So you get it.

I will never get you mr. Monson

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

The 964 is not even close to being the last of the original design. It's not the original design at all. Those were are are 1989 G50s

Thats silly!

In what way is a 89 3.2 the last of the original design - have you seen a 901/early 911?

I am amazed how many experts the interwebs has brought the last couple of years

[christiandk]

This.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/969203-1990-porsche-964-sunroof-delete-row-euro-coupe-35k-miles-rare-color-socal.html

This had not been a 35k mls car for the last 20 years. And what happened to the rear? Its messe up - 85K usd there you go. The 964 is the better car

[_Remi]

Not to derail the original question on coupes but what is the discount for a cabriolet (vs a coupe)? It seems to me than manual C2 cabriolets are not too common either.

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by christiandk

Thats silly!

In what way is a 89 3.2 the last of the original design - have you seen a 901/early 911?

I am amazed how many experts the interwebs has brought the last couple of years

You've got to be kidding. Experts huh? The 964, even in it's day, was being touted by Porsche as 85% new.

Obviously you've never, ever dismantled one, worked on one, or taken one apart. I actually Federalized many when I worked at AmeriSpec in Danbury, Ct.

The only thing the 964 shares with the 'original design' is the roof line. EVERYTHING was changed, from the pan, to the suspension, to the gas tank location, to the electronics, doors, - everything. Nothing original remained, except maybe the ignition switch.

You are silly, and frankly your comment shows your lack of depth when it comes to these cars - and what Porsche did - and did not - put into them.

The 89 3.2 is a direct descendant of the original 1964 car.

Since you are such an expert, and you have great knowledge of the 964, what parts of the 964 are the original design? It's like saying the Audi TT or Audi R8 is an original design based on the Auto Union race car.

I'd like to see where you are coming from, I really would, and as the owner of a mid-70s 911, to me, my car has more in common with a 959 (yes, I have taken these apart as well), than a 964.

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by _Remi

Not to derail the original question on coupes but what is the discount for a cabriolet (vs a coupe)? It seems to me than manual C2 cabriolets are not too common either.

I wad amazed at the discount of the cab - could be my next P-car. Hank Moody style!

Peace Sal, I was talking about the design not the technicals.

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by christiandk

I wad amazed at the discount of the cab - could be my next P-car. Hank Moody style!

Peace Sal, I was talking about the design not the technicals.

I guess I will go on record. 993 is a much better car.

And since the term 'design' and 'original design' are being used very loosely around here, since the 996/997 are rear-engine cars with a sloping roof line in a 2+2 arrangement, then I will say that these are the 'original' design as well, according to several accounts, as the 'original' 911 has its engine in the rear.

[christiandk]

Im gonna get me one like this - pick it up, pick up Matt. Drive down to Ronnie and see if he is all talk. Shipping the car home by ship - without Ronster in it.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/710138612/overview/

[specialtyoneinc]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

The 964 is not even close to being the last of the original design. It's not the original design at all. Those were are are 1989 G50s.

Like Matt said, the 993 is a much better car. It just is. The years the 964 was cobbled together at the factory were very dark years for Porsche. I know, I visited there in December of 1992.

The 964 was nothing but a test bed mule that had a lot more polishing to go. Many new regulations required the 911 to go the 964 route - and they (Porsche) had no money in the early 1990s to do anything, much less anything right. People didn't have the money for 911s like they did in the '80s. Heck, Porsche couldn't even get their act together in sealing up the engine, which was very unusual for them.

I would go 993 all the way. It's what the 964 should have been, and would have been if the world was going right.

When I mentioned the 964 was the last of the original design I meant the classic 911 shape. Sorry for the confusion. You sound angry

[DaBears]

From my searching it looks like Tips and Cabrios are a significant discount. Targas a moderate discount for 964s and draw a premium in 993s. Likely all 3 were more expensive and less in #s when new over the coupe!

It's not helping either that I hate black cars.

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

When I mentioned the 964 was the last of the original design I meant the classic 911 shape. Sorry for the confusion. You sound angry

Not angry - just passionate about the cars I have loved my entire life. Never had a 993, I will give you that.

[specialtyoneinc]

Originally Posted by DaBears

From my searching it looks like Tips and Cabrios are a significant discount. Targas a moderate discount for 964s and draw a premium in 993s. Likely all 3 were more expensive and less in #s when new over the coupe!

It's not helping either that I hate black cars.

Supply & Demand. Lots of people are after nice C2 Coupes in the $50s. Very hard to find unless you want to drop $60k plus. Found a nice Linen/Black 1990 C2 Coupe on PCA last month and the car was off the market in less than a day. This car was underpriced.

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

Supply & Demand. Lots of people are after nice C2 Coupes in the $50s. Very hard to find unless you want to drop $60k plus. Found a nice Linen/Black 1990 C2 Coupe on PCA last month and the car was off the market in less than a day. This car was underpriced.

Beautiful - much more so than the 993 (959 wannabe).

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by christiandk

I will never get you mr. Monson

No you won't. You're not even in my league. Stick to being Ronnie's gimp little Dane...

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

No you won't. You're not even in my league. Stick to being Ronnie's gimp little Dane...

And that is coming from a swede

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

You've got to be kidding. Experts huh? The 964, even in it's day, was being touted by Porsche as 85% new.

Obviously you've never, ever dismantled one, worked on one, or taken one apart. I actually Federalized many when I worked at AmeriSpec in Danbury, Ct.

The only thing the 964 shares with the 'original design' is the roof line. EVERYTHING was changed, from the pan, to the suspension, to the gas tank location, to the electronics, doors, - everything. Nothing original remained, except maybe the ignition switch.

You are silly, and frankly your comment shows your lack of depth when it comes to these cars - and what Porsche did - and did not - put into them.

The 89 3.2 is a direct descendant of the original 1964 car.

This. And the 993 fixed the things that they left undone on the 964. The 964 was a segue car, which is what I don't like about it. Many who love it say that it was modernized while retaining many of the original 911ness. I like that the 993 is more modern, which a proper suspension, among other things, but still retained the air cooled engine. The 993 was the project finished, whereas the 964 was half baked, imo.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by christiandk

And that is coming from a swede

Norse, mate. This is my great great grandfather:

https://sites.google.com/site/monsonfamilyhistory/Home/monson-five-generation/christian-hans-monson

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

This. And the 993 fixed the things that they left undone on the 964. The 964 was a segue car, which is what I don't like about it. Many who love it say that it was modernized while retaining many of the original 911ness. I like that the 993 is more modern, which a proper suspension, among other things, but still retained the air cooled engine. The 993 was the project finished, whereas the 964 was half baked, imo.

So you guys read the 993 issue of Christophorus? Well done!

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Norse, mate. This is my great great grandfather:

https://sites.google.com/site/monsonfamilyhistory/Home/monson-five-generation/christian-hans-monson

Interesting and impressive - wow. Love his first name too!

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by christiandk

Interesting and impressive - wow. Love his first name too!

We named my youngest brother after him.