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Matt Monson 06-10-2018 05:56 AM

Should be an interesting data point for 74-74 market.
 
Not a Carrera. Not getting the BaT bump. Just a 74 with RS spec rebuilt engine.
https://www.ebay.com/i/273268981564?_trksid=p2471758.m4704&rmvSB=true&ul_ ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%25 2F1%252F711-53200-19255-0%252F1%253Fcampid%253D5336391335%2526toolid%253D1 0001%2526mpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.eb ay.com%25252Fitm%25252F273268981564%25253F_trksid% 25253Dp2471758.m4704%2526srcrot%253D711-53200-19255-0%2526rvr_id%253D1560419611761%2526rvr_ts%253De9fa 51231630ac3c3ee7e08cfffddd89
Sorry, no clue how to make that link cleaner.

maninblack 06-10-2018 10:29 AM

I don't know. Wrong steering wheel, wrong dash, wrong wheels, wrong mirrors, fender flares, and so much more. I don't think it's a good data point at all with all of these mods. Doesnt mean it's not a good car, it's just not going to appeal to a lot of us who love middies and that will affect the price.

maninblack 06-10-2018 10:31 AM

And to make the link cleaner you just eliminate everything after the question mark. Like this:

https://www.ebay.com/i/273268981564

kc911s 06-10-2018 11:21 AM

Mileage is unknown with a fishy story about why it doesn't have orig speedo.

Matt Monson 06-10-2018 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maninblack (Post 10068456)
I don't know. Wrong steering wheel, wrong dash, wrong wheels, wrong mirrors, fender flares, and so much more. I don't think it's a good data point at all with all of these mods. Doesnt mean it's not a good car, it's just not going to appeal to a lot of us who love middies and that will affect the price.

You're talking about it like a collector. This is a driver. It's a data point for a driver. Condition 3 cars is the topic, not collectibles. it's an average hot rod, the kind that might be built in a Pelican's garage. Diy forum and all that.

Matt Monson 06-10-2018 02:15 PM

This should lend some perspective of why I care:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-marketplace-discussion/964845-car-would-you-sell-how-much.html

It's a datapoint for me. And Toby. And Derrick. And Funky Munky. And a few others around here I am sure I'm missing who own 74-75 normals or Ss with less than perfect history. In that thread last year I am incredulous at $25k for my 74, and then privately someone not posting offered me $35k! We see a lot of relatively not-molested cars and we also see some all in restorods. I'm watching because I own a comp, as do a bunch of the regulars around here.

maninblack 06-10-2018 02:57 PM

Still a terrible comp for the 74 market.

Matt Monson 06-10-2018 03:18 PM

Then don't watch. I don't read every thread here, let alone post.

maninblack 06-10-2018 03:22 PM

Look who's panties are in a bunch again. Shocker.

Don't worry. Your girlfriends will be here soon enough to bail you out.

Matt Monson 06-10-2018 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maninblack (Post 10068754)
Look who's panties are in a bunch again. Shocker.

Don't worry. Your girlfriends will be here soon enough to bail you out.

Not in the least. I’m not telling you what to do. It’s a free forum. Your snark comes as no surprise to anyone. Carry on.

manbridge 74 06-10-2018 08:00 PM

I shall dub it Hodge-Podge...

nathanbs 06-10-2018 08:11 PM

Matt I think the motor will possibly make it a tough data point. That’s approx a $10k upgrade from a stock motor. What are your thoughts?

Matt Monson 06-10-2018 08:29 PM

My thoughts are I'm putting a '74 911/83 on mfi in my car so it is relevant to my interests. When I was at Carquip we must have built a dozen of these RS spec engines. People did it frequently 10-20 years ago when the original engine gave up the ghost. RS p&c were for sale everywhere back then. If the customer didn't just toss in a 3l and wanted to rebuild instead they did this, either on mfi or Webers.

nathanbs 06-10-2018 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10069014)
My thoughts are I'm putting a '74 911/83 on mfi in my car so it is relevant to my interests. When I was at Carquip we must have built a dozen of these RS spec engines. People did it frequently 10-20 years ago when the original engine gave up the ghost. RS p&c were for sale everywhere back then. If the customer didn't just toss in a 3l and wanted to rebuild instead they did this, either on mfi or Webers.

Gotcha cool deal. I need to pick up a motor like this as I need all of the parts to restore a 74 911/83 that I only have the case for

Matt Monson 06-10-2018 08:42 PM

I bought a complete longblock to build out my case. And then I bought another one. I've got a silly stupid pile of parts now. When it's all done I may build two engines because I can't decide what I want. I'm building a toy, not restoring something.

1979-930 06-10-2018 09:18 PM

Should be an interesting data point for 74-74 market.
 
That’s a neat build. I would not have added the power windows and other items. But its someone else’s dream car. To each their own.
I like the MFI 2.7! Cool direction there. It’s definitely a drivers build.
It will be interesting to see if there is any demand for a car like this.





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davewadd 06-11-2018 05:11 AM

Keeping the red interior would have been cool...

Matt Monson 06-11-2018 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by davewadd (Post 10069243)
Keeping the red interior would have been cool...

Wouldn't it? My car had that too, but some ding dong dyed the sport seats and rear shelf black and replaced the rear seats and door cards (also converted to power windows, which I am ripping out).

1979-930 06-11-2018 06:00 AM

^^^ Mine was Ice Green Metallic, and now it's black with red metal flake... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...s/pukeface.gif
My 930 was a PTS 924 color, Indiana Red Metallic, and the last guy painted it Resale Red.

I sure know how to pick 'um :D

matt930s 06-11-2018 06:15 AM

India Red?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1979-930 (Post 10069340)
^^^ Mine was Ice Green Metallic, and now it's black with red metal flake... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...s/pukeface.gif
My 930 was a PTS 924 color, Indiana Red Metallic, and the last guy painted it Resale Red.

I sure know how to pick 'um :D


nathanbs 06-11-2018 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10069028)
I bought a complete longblock to build out my case. And then I bought another one. I've got a silly stupid pile of parts now. When it's all done I may build two engines because I can't decide what I want. I'm building a toy, not restoring something.

Yeah I got that. Should be fun. I am flirting with the idea of building a 3.0 with mfi but it seems to be a lot easier said than done. The 2.7 is for a 74 euro carrera that I need to restore

1979-930 06-11-2018 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by matt930s (Post 10069370)
India Red?

Nope. Indiana Red. Look in the 924 Colors. It's uncommon even for 924's.
My COA does not even list it. It says 99 PTS Red. But I have all the original sales order forms from the 1st owner. They list the color it was ordered in and the door tag matches.

Not the best color red. But different.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1528727162.jpg

techweenie 06-11-2018 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10068155)
Not a Carrera. Not getting the BaT bump. Just a 74 with RS spec rebuilt engine.

Sorry, no clue how to make that link cleaner.

It's for sale by a flipper, so I'm assuming he paid somewhere in the low $30s and is trying for around $40K. Trouble with this car is that a ton of money was spent to make it like something up the food chain, and those are 90% unrecoverable costs. On the upside, as a 74, it's desirable to the CA market, so I won't be surprised to see it at a future Luftgekuhlt. $40K will seem pretty cheap to someone who has just cashed in his startup stock and whose pals are all driving McLarens.

Matt Monson 06-11-2018 08:00 AM

$31k already and reserve not met? Jesus. People are stupid. Maybe I should sell my project car and my 86 and go buy a GT3...

1979-930 06-11-2018 08:02 AM

^^^ You complete me. :D

Matt Monson 06-11-2018 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1979-930 (Post 10069537)
^^^ You complete me. :D

Or a 930. I need one of those $50-60k driver 930s that's been floating around.

Mehoff 06-11-2018 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 10069412)
It's for sale by a flipper, so I'm assuming he paid somewhere in the low $30s and is trying for around $40K. Trouble with this car is that a ton of money was spent to make it like something up the food chain, and those are 90% unrecoverable costs. On the upside, as a 74, it's desirable to the CA market, so I won't be surprised to see it at a future Luftgekuhlt. $40K will seem pretty cheap to someone who has just cashed in his startup stock and whose pals are all driving McLarens.

If it's for sale by a flipper he's doing a horrible job. Car has been posted everywhere for over 6 months.

Matt Monson 06-11-2018 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mehoff (Post 10069629)
If it's for sale by a flipper he's doing a horrible job. Car has been posted everywhere for over 6 months.

Has it? I haven't been watching closely and just got bored the other day and was clicking around looking at cars. It does look like a dealer type used ID on ebay.

manbridge 74 06-11-2018 10:33 AM

So does it have a later trans to work with electric speedo? Later trans is a higher geared which is not the right way to go with a 2.7RS...

Matt Monson 06-11-2018 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manbridge 74 (Post 10069762)
So does it have a later trans to work with electric speedo? Later trans is a higher geared which is not the right way to go with a 2.7RS...

The single picture of the gearbox you can see shows an early clutch release arm. That could be installed on a later gearbox but if you went the trouble of changing the box wouldn't you put in the omega spring arm?

omnivore 06-12-2018 01:24 PM

Seems like a very sweet piece for 40ish. I’d be all over it ‘cept been there and done that already. Little gem of a motor with throttle response to die for. Who GAF about the gingerbread? Change it to taste. Fit 15s (unsprung mass, lower gear) and lose the boat anchor bumpers (weight and center of mass inboard) to sharpen it up. Then let ‘er rip.

Mehoff 06-12-2018 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10069747)
Has it? I haven't been watching closely and just got bored the other day and was clicking around looking at cars. It does look like a dealer type used ID on ebay.

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/984702-1974-911-carrera-rs-tribute-numbers-matching-2-7rs-spec-engine-two-owners.html

Matt Monson 06-13-2018 05:09 AM

Definitely not much of a marketing campaign.

jpsurfer 06-13-2018 07:38 AM

As mentioned the car has been offered for sale for quite some time. It was for sale by previous owner for I believe around $45k and likely bought for less by current owner/dealer. The dealer has been floating the car around for months at an asking price of somewhere around $85k. Interesting car but with all the incorrect items not in that ballpark obviously. I seriously doubt that it will be sold for anything close to $40k however.

1979-930 06-13-2018 08:27 AM

^^^ WHAT? $85k? Puff - Puff - Pass. He forgot to Pass.

omnivore 06-13-2018 10:09 AM

Never mind then. Market for this car is the guy with $ who has to have his first old 911.

Rawknees'Turbo 06-13-2018 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1979-930 (Post 10069537)
^^^ You complete me. :D

Some information is better kept private! :eek:

***possible forum jealousy***

Matt Monson 06-13-2018 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsurfer (Post 10071960)
As mentioned the car has been offered for sale for quite some time. It was for sale by previous owner for I believe around $45k and likely bought for less by current owner/dealer. The dealer has been floating the car around for months at an asking price of somewhere around $85k. Interesting car but with all the incorrect items not in that ballpark obviously. I seriously doubt that it will be sold for anything close to $40k however.

2 days ago some new guy posted that it has been listed at $84k and then 15 minutes later pulled his post. Maybe this is a Colorado car and homey be smokin’!

Mehoff 06-13-2018 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsurfer (Post 10071960)
As mentioned the car has been offered for sale for quite some time. It was for sale by previous owner for I believe around $45k and likely bought for less by current owner/dealer. The dealer has been floating the car around for months at an asking price of somewhere around $85k. Interesting car but with all the incorrect items not in that ballpark obviously. I seriously doubt that it will be sold for anything close to $40k however.

Holy s$%t!!!! What's a real US '74 Carrera go for, $65k in excellent shape?

*honestly don't know the market for the US Carreras

1979-930 06-13-2018 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10072193)
Some information is better kept private! :eek:



***possible forum jealousy***



Don’t be jealous Raw,
Matt and I may have very similar tastes towards the cars we like.
But we’re not texting at night... [emoji8]


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