964 C2 Value

[wgwollet]

Yes, but Ruf used current production tubs Is Ruf still around today? Never see their stuff anymore.
Singer is backdating 964 (no longer made) to a long hood
I was offered $40k for a basic tub and removed engine
Many Singer Customers must bring their own purchased 964
I was told less then 200 built so far, prefer C2, but my understanding the tubs on C2 and C4 are the same.
The main problem is for example in 1991 MY only 701 Coupes 2 so then take out the Tip and not many around before Singer

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Dtronics

It’s kind of tough finding C2 comporables so I wanted to see what your guys think. I found a good “driver” 90 C2 manual with about 110k Miles in a desirable color combo. No major engine work, decent original paint, and a nice interior. There hasn’t been any major engine work (no rebuild) but the car pulls strong. I’m going to have a PPI done but curious to see what you guys think a good driver is worth in the current market?

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by wgwollet

Yes, but Ruf used current production tubs Is Ruf still around today? Never see their stuff anymore.
Singer is backdating 964 (no longer made) to a long hood
I was offered $40k for a basic tub and removed engine
Many Singer Customers must bring their own purchased 964
I was told less then 200 built so far, prefer C2, but my understanding the tubs on C2 and C4 are the same.
The main problem is for example in 1991 MY only 701 Coupes 2 so then take out the Tip and not many around before Singer

Never see their stuff? You need to get out more. They make a couple different scratch cars still, including one that is a Singer competitor.

[pmax]

This must have been a steal.

1993 Porsche 911 RS America
Sold For $75,000 On 6/11/19

[Cobalt]

^^ You have to look at each car individually. Many of the RSA's were coveted for track use and have had the crap kicked out of them and are now being resprayed and sold to unsuspecting buyers. This car has aftermarket wheels and I suspect a full respray. If not that would be a 6 figure car with low miles. I still don't get the reasoning people pay up for the RSA it is a C2 with less options and the only ones IMO paying up for are the non sunroof cars. This car appears to have a sunroof as well.

I agree what RUF did and singer does are two different things. I have no issue with an owner customizing their individual car but when you take a highly desirable car like the 964 Coupe which has one of the lowest overall production numbers of any short hood 911 and start chopping them up by the hundreds after nearly 30 years of surviving is a crime in my book. If they made them look like a wide body long hood it would be one thing but they look like a beached whale to me.

[pmax]

But wollet says he was offered $40k for a tub.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by pmax

But wollet says he was offered $40k for a tub.

The going rate for a rat 964 coupe 5 speed seems to be $30k. That is a needs everything most likely non running car with hidden accident damage and rust. I have seen turbo tubs no drivetrain but full interior etc sell for as much as $45k. If the tub is clean no accident damage and original paint I am sure there are people crazy enough to pay $40k for one.

If you try to make sense of the market you will go batty. I have seen good cars not sell at high but not unreasonable asking and junk sell for double its value. All depends on the buyer and seller. I was considering this 90 C4. High mile non running needed everything and extensive body reconstruction needed. Essentially a full rotisserie strip down and rebuild. I was considering it for a wide body 3.8 RS conversion street project. A year ago I could have picked it up for $15k. I went back to look at it they were up to $30k I passed but someone AFAIK snapped it up at full asking.

[mbintx]

So...where is the 964 market right now? I’m getting much closer to selling my 964 but am having a difficult time coming up with a realistic asking price. I keep hearing the 964 market is back on an upswing, but prices seem all over the map.
I know roughly what I have in it, and don’t think I can recoup all of it. But want to land on a realistic asking price based on condition and overall market status.

[mbintx]

[NYNick]

Originally Posted by mbintx

Check the BaT graphs. A C4 with 108K miles on it just sold for $60K.

[stutt911]

Bat depends on if you have the rite buyers around, a low mileage pristine looking 964 also just sold for $61 couple of months ago from a trusted known seller. I think selling on bat is a big hassle, and one person with wrong comment can cut your auction by 10% , I’m selling my 912 on auto trader this spring, would only goto bat if all else failed, I submitted it and the reserve they gave me was way too low, it would probably get more but I don’t want to risk it

[mrbeverlyhills]

I think anyone venturing a price for your car would need to know a bit more about it; the BAT car that sold for $60k was a 52,000 mile car from a noted seller with a stellar rep on BAT.
Model year, mileage and what has been done to the car at a minimum, maybe post a few better photos, include the interior.
The reason prices are all over the place is because some of the cars for sale are all over the condition map; anyone pricing your car based on 1 photo and no details isn't doing you any favors.
BAT has some folks that know a lot and a lot of folks that know next to nothing. But 964s are hot there right now, maybe call them and see what they give you as a reserve.

[NYNick]

Originally Posted by mrbeverlyhills

I think anyone venturing a price for your car would need to know a bit more about it; the BAT car that sold for $60k was a 52,000 mile car from a noted seller with a stellar rep on BAT.
Model year, mileage and what has been done to the car at a minimum, maybe post a few better photos, include the interior.
The reason prices are all over the place is because some of the cars for sale are all over the condition map; anyone pricing your car based on 1 photo and no details isn't doing you any favors.
BAT has some folks that know a lot and a lot of folks that know next to nothing. But 964s are hot there right now, maybe call them and see what they give you as a reserve.

Nope. It was a C4 with 108K miles from a first time seller. Go take a look.

[mrbeverlyhills]

Originally Posted by stutt911

Bat depends on if you have the rite buyers around, a low mileage pristine looking 964 also just sold for $61 couple of months ago from a trusted known seller. I think selling on bat is a big hassle, and one person with wrong comment can cut your auction by 10% , I’m selling my 912 on auto trader this spring, would only goto bat if all else failed, I submitted it and the reserve they gave me was way too low, it would probably get more but I don’t want to risk it

I was referring to this one, says 52,000 miles.

[Cobalt]

I have to agree these are priced based on year, miles, overall condition, color and options. Miles are becoming less relevant vs overall condition. People are learning a car needing paint, deferred maintenance or engine work can double your investment depending on what is needed and how perfect you want to make it.

The silver car is impossible to price. It is an earlier car but what MY? Has the wrong wheels for the average buyer and no other info. It could be anything from $45k to $65k more or less.

A #1 condition car will set you back 6 figures easily these days but most of the really nice cars rarely com up for sale.

[Matt Monson]

Nobody sells a condition 1 car on BaT.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Nobody sells a condition 1 car on BaT.

That would make for an interesting auction

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Nobody sells a condition 1 car on BaT.

Honestly there have been a few nice 964's sold on BaT but very few. I would consider those #3's. The dozen or so I had seen up close were what I would consider a #4 only because there is no #5 classification. Dan's Cup car for sale right now would be a great buy. He really keeps his cars in tip top shape.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

Honestly there have been a few nice 964's sold on BaT but very few. I would consider those #3's. The dozen or so I had seen up close were what I would consider a #4 only because there is no #5 classification. Dan's Cup car for sale right now would be a great buy. He really keeps his cars in tip top shape.

Exactly. I look at BaT like a junk bond exchange. There’s some nice product and good buys done but it’s not really the top of the market and never will be.

[Max911s]

Originally Posted by mrbeverlyhills

I was referring to this one, says 52,000 miles.

This car seemed like a fair deal, I’m in the market now looking to buy one , and it’s in line with realistic sellers prices