Turbo conversion guys.... why not a 930?

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by JMS935

I was wondering what the hell as well. Never heard of such a thing, . . .

Here is another guy that has built nutz power 911 engines, Eddie Bello. I thought you might like to see this 1200+ hp dyno action. There are several cool videos of his car in action at drag strips, and events like The Texas Mile (where he went well over 200mph in that car ), as well.

BTW, he has a Matt Monson differential in that thing.

PS - this is also some more inspiration for Geronimo!

[911tracker85]

I think a 400hp sub2500lb car would be a blast!

this is my goal. in part because I am keeping the CIS so that tends to limit how high you can push the HP.

I want to learn this car inside and out

I sure have.....

[Geronimo]

Rawks, is that the one that used to do wheel stands at the drag?

My car is nothing special, and will never be stock, that just isn't my style. I have a picture in my head of what I want, (sadly a few pictures but one car).

I think the best plan is to sort a solid base parts list and start looking for deals on the parts as they come and shoot for a solid low boost set up with future potential.

And pray I find a future trans solution lol.

[flightlead404]

Originally Posted by GJF

It drives like a Corolla. Just govern your foot!

hahahaha

I'll bet!

Its hard to tell from the pics (gorgeous) but are the two airflow paths entirely separate, ie that intercooler is really two-in-one, or does the airflow merge after the turbos?

If merging, are the two turbos the same, or is one build to build pressure earlier and one to deliver more air later?

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

Here is another guy that has built nutz power 911 engines, Eddie Bello. I thought you might like to see this 1200+ hp dyno action. There are several cool videos of his car in action at drag strips, and events like The Texas Mile (where he went well over 200mph in that car ), as well.

Not my cup of tea Raw, not even close. I know this can be done, but I don’t get why anyone would do it. It seems to be an addiction of always wanting more horsepower....and the need for the dyno to prove to them that they got it. So they keep modding and modding, pissing away more and more money into the same car, all for the gratification of that stupid snapshot (of the monitor) and print out of the dyno proving their success. And like they really needed that last little bit of horsepower that pushed it up over 1200. That’s lunacy in my book. What a total waste of money, but to each their own I guess. Hopefully this guy doesn’t kill himself trying to continually break speed records.

My cup of tea is a modded engine built by the Special Wishes Department, the original factory power kit...the 930 WLS

[scottrx7tt]

I would have like to have had a 930, but they were just too expensive. I found an awesome deal on my car, a 79 widebody conversion that needed a lot of love, a non runner. it was as bastardized as it comes. 3.1(yes, factory 3.1)with 3.2 heads and a custom intake that used a Holley Pro-Jection TBi setup. The ecu was burned up, along with a lot of cut wires. I ditched all of that stuff and sourced a 3.2 intake, fuel rails, and throttle body. I used a Bitz ecu(MS1) to run it all.
The one thing that always bothered me is the TURBO emblem on the rear lid. Either I take it off, risking paint damage, or add a turbo kit. I chose the Turbo route! I can never leave anything alone!
I sourced most all of my parts used. It takes some time to find things at the right price. This was the age where 930s were so hot, that pretty much anything turbo related had elevated asking prices. you really have to do your homework, but take your time sourcing parts, and build it when you get them all. I did my conversion in a weekend, also added EDIS ignition, and Microsquirt ecu.
I have far less in my car than a 930, it will embarrass any stock 930, and will impress a lot of folks out on the roads. If my car were a 930, I would be more worried about my investment, but since i have one of the most bastardized cars on the market, Im not worried about it.

[911tracker85]

^^^
same for me. got the project not running. had a rebuilt 3.3 turbo motor but 74 mag case 915 with 7:34 and other gear changes best for a NA on autocross, then a TALL 5th.

now that I have a proper 930 gearbox I have most of what I need. of course waiting on parts I sent to Shaun at tru-6.com to cerakote and replate, along with the stuff I sent to Steve Weiner at Rennsport Systems to build / recondition.

yesterday started restoring the rear light housings. and need to finalize my wiring plan so Dennis can build the full, customer wiring harness....

over 5 yrs but think I can see it starting to come together. now to get the tub on the rotisserie and get busy with finalizing the body work and prep for paint.

and when done I do expect it to significantly out preform any stock'ish 930.

I am into the wrenching and ultimately the DRIVING experience, and not the 'investment' angle or garage queen show cars.

gotta drive them.

and for the 1,000+ hp junkies, at least they dont hang a set of balls off the rear bumper as I see on so many trucks.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

^^^

You are a nasty, nasty beast, JMS - filthy even!!!!

Looks like JMS finally found a home, I'm happy for him !!!! Now if only the caveman ....

OP, exactly how much is the all in budget ?

[Geronimo]

I am not sure on the budget... as much as I can get by the wife yearly... lol she is very cool.

I figure the turbo set up should cost me $5k - $8K give or take. maybe $10K when all in said and done, IE tuning and lil bits and the unknowns.

If I can get ll the bits in the next two years I think that would be reasonable and might keep me under her "want to punch my face radar".

[Geronimo]

If i'm smart I start doing some art side hustle to make some Porsche play money, and put that fancy degree to good use.

[RarlyL8]

By the time all was said and done I spent enough on this car to buy TWO 930's at the time (before the recession). It would involve great difficulty and expense to build this car starting with a 930 instead of the stripped down base model SC that was used. The value of the 930 would be reduced in the process while the value of the SC would at least stay the same if not increase a little.
In the end this car was crazy fun. 915 5spd with 360whp, 2700lb with me in it. 0-100-0 in 13 seconds. After 15 years of enjoyment I sold it to buy a 930. 930 is a COMPLETELY different car / experience and fun in a different way.
Do what you want, there is no telling what the future holds.

[clutch-monkey]

i passed on a few 930's because i did not find them as agile as my SC. ended up doing 3.6 in the SC instead.
found the low comp, long 4 speed great for motorway but not tight corners or local race tracks.
ended up with a 964 turbo as well though, g50 five speed and coil overs from factory.

[scottrx7tt]

I have far less than $5k in my turbo set up. In fact, I’m gonna guarantee i have less than that even in my EFI and turbo set up combined. Obviously, I did all of the wrench work. Maybe if you are paying someone to do all the work, I could see $5-8k. My engine is still high compression, but I have my car set up for flex fuel, but currently on 93 pump gas and no problems at 10lbs of boost. Until the next transmission explosion, that is.

Originally Posted by Geronimo

I am not sure on the budget... as much as I can get by the wife yearly... lol she is very cool.

I figure the turbo set up should cost me $5k - $8K give or take. maybe $10K when all in said and done, IE tuning and lil bits and the unknowns.

If I can get ll the bits in the next two years I think that would be reasonable and might keep me under her "want to punch my face radar".

[scottrx7tt]

Hey man, I love what you are doing! I have a lot of friends with Supras, one with just over 1000hp. It’s crazy that you could achieve the same success with an air cooled engine. I bet it wasn’t cheap. Hell, running that fast in the mile is awesome, but it would scare the **** out of me. There have been some serious accidents the past year, including a fatality in Florida at a half mile event. I worry about how fast some of these streetcars have become just over the past few years. Be safe man! If I had the cash to put into my car to achieve what you have, I’d be right behind you brother.

Originally Posted by GJF

Geez man, I don't come here to see a continual post of some one ranting their opinion about power levels. I come here to enjoy enthusiast alike whether it be stock or performance enhanced. And to actually think someone can drive one of these car on the street with that much power is ridiculous. Poor traction, oil on the road, clueless drivers. I tune for drivability and yes top end power. But you don't drive to the grocery store at boosted WOT. .7-1 bar is just fine to cruise and have fun. Any more you better save it for the track. I wish you all well.

[scottrx7tt]

Love the 964 look, if I didn’t have side vents, I would love to do the update. The side vents have kind of grown on me though.

Originally Posted by RarlyL8

By the time all was said and done I spent enough on this car to buy TWO 930's at the time (before the recession). It would involve great difficulty and expense to build this car starting with a 930 instead of the stripped down base model SC that was used. The value of the 930 would be reduced in the process while the value of the SC would at least stay the same if not increase a little.
In the end this car was crazy fun. 915 5spd with 360whp, 2700lb with me in it. 0-100-0 in 13 seconds. After 15 years of enjoyment I sold it to buy a 930. 930 is a COMPLETELY different car / experience and fun in a different way.
Do what you want, there is no telling what the future holds.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by JMS935

Not my cup of tea Raw, not even close. I know this can be done, but I don’t get why anyone would do it. It seems to be an addiction of always wanting more horsepower....and the need for the dyno to prove to them that they got it. So they keep modding and modding, pissing away more and more money into the same car, all for the gratification of that stupid snapshot (of the monitor) and print out of the dyno proving their success. And like they really needed that last little bit of horsepower that pushed it up over 1200. That’s lunacy in my book. What a total waste of money, but to each their own I guess. Hopefully this guy doesn’t kill himself trying to continually break speed records.

My cup of tea is a modded engine built by the Special Wishes Department, the original factory power kit...the 930 WLS

. . .

The reason why anyone does it is simply for fun; some people, particularly mechanics, and racers (hobby or pro), get a lot of enjoyment out of testing their abilities to push a machine to its max (it is very challenging and rewarding to do that successfully, and even rewarding, to a certain extent, in the inevitable failures, as you then learn a lot and try again). You can see the fun level from those guys in the dyno room on that final pull when they are all smiles and even joking about, "Is that all? Seems a little down on power".

But like you said, definitely an each to their own scenario.

Originally Posted by Geronimo

Rawks, is that the one that used to do wheel stands at the drag?

. . .

Yep - some vids of insane wheel stands at launch and ridiculously quick quarter mile times on YouTube. His success at the TexASS mile, and similar events, is what's really impressive - spanked a few twin turboed Lambos, etc., a time or three.

[Geronimo]

Rarelyl8 that is a sick sick car man.

I may start a thread at some point to help me create a parts list specific for my needs so I can keep an eye out for deals. I know one of the turbo guys did a nice spreadsheet of parts and costs.

I did pick up a 3.2 intake manifold, fuel rails, and TB.

[Ollies930]

I quite agree, there is no way that car has 1200hp.
That color car is only good for a max of about 750hp!

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by patina

1200hp my ass. Let's see the dyno. That is a 550-600hp setup at most. Troll on.

Right, ol' Gerry, who has been posting details about that car of his, as well as sharing his vast knowledge of turbocharging, here for over a decade and a half, suddenly feels the need to lie about its performance, just for shiits and giggles - maybe you have him confused with Donald Trump?!

[plexiform]

I'm probably in the minority here but I just like the look of a 930. I prefer a normally aspirated air cooled engine. I've already had a real 930 and one that was highly modified with 3.5L, K29 turbo, and a ton of engine mods getting it close to 400HP. It had suspension mods to match. It was fun, but I cannot say it was any more fun than my stock 996turbo. So for me it was an easy decision to go with modifying my 75 911s rather than pay the money for a real 930 again. I'll find out in the next month if I made the right choice. I'm hoping the 3.6L 964 engine with Motec engine management and Rasant Engineering intake is going to breathe enough new life in to the car to make it feel fast and fun. It will have ~280HP and still doesn't weigh very much despite the wider fenders and heavier engine.