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965 engine drop SEARS ATV jack need help

Whoever has dropped their engine with a sears ATV jack please help me. Tommorow i want to drop my engine finally, I AM TERRIFIED!!! The ATV jack is going to go under the engine basically towards the front but not under the transmission. Its the only way i can see how to utilize it. Im worried about the engine rotating downward (the transmission rotating down and hitting the floor) because the transmission itself will just be hanging off the front of the jack. Can you picture what i am saying. So if anyone has used one of these can you tell me how you did it.

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Old 03-02-2008, 04:35 PM
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I used one with no problems. I positioned it so that the jack pads were more towards the rear of the heat exchangers. I had about 6" of the heat exchangers hanging off the handle side of the jack. This was perfectly balanced.
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I used a sheet of 3/4'' plywood, so the heat exchangers laid nicelyflat on it. Did it on my own with no problems.
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I don't specifically know your ATV jack, but when I used mine, just like Mark said, I positioned it further forward to help with the balance thing. Also, I put a half sheet or smaller piece of plywood on top of the jack to increase the area supported by the jack so that I felt more comfortable with the C of G thing. I think it worked pretty good. Make sure the jack goes up far enough...Or have a couple of other jacks at the ready to raise the rear of the car enough after the engine and trans is released so you can pull them out with sufficient clearance.
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Mine was balanced so well that I dismantled most of the bolt-ons while it was on the ATV jack. It took me a week longer than expected to get my engine ring.
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Ok then did you unbolt the transmission first and then the 2 bolts on the engine cross member or visa versa?????

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I have two 3" angles bolted to mine, makes it a bit wider, and centers it up on the jack better under the heat exchangers. I just have to pull my muffler off beforehand, as the jack mechanism hits it. Mine is an SC convert, so the 930 may be a bit different.

The plywood is a good idea, I did that before I built the angle pieces.
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Jerry, put the floor jack under the tranny while the engine is bearing on the ATV jack, and take out the trans cross member bolts first. You will get a feel for the balance, then you can ditch the floor jack when you get it balanced on the ATV jack. It will be obvious if you have it balanced.

When you're done, you'll say "that was easy!"
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I supported the engine with the jack first. Then unbolted the tranny cross member. Finally unbolted engine mounts then lowered it out. Of course I had everything else disconnected.
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it should sit about like this...

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Jerry,

Mark is 100% right. I know I am probably stating the obvious, but make sure the shift rod is loosened from the front end of the transmission and move the shifter so it (the rod) is fully out of the transmission. On the front right of the transmission is the back up light sending unit. You may want to remove it first before you take out the tranny...and before you put it back in. If you don't, you will most likely break it.
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You may not want to here this, yes it can be done, the weight is more balanced towards the flywheel end of the engine and some guys build a wooden box with castor wheels on it that support the engine and allow the ATV jack to be removed when lowered.

Two things i do not do anymore, this comes from my years of experience. I wont use a floor jack or ATV jack to remove an engine and I never climb under a car supported by jack stands!

I use an inexpensive hydraulic lift table to remove the engine and work on it when its removed from the car. I also have a 3/4 lift which is a 60's vintage lift i purchased from an old service station for a few hundred bucks.



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I will agree with Chappy about the jack stand thing. The car is so high on jack stands that it's shaky sometimes. I use steel platforms that I built to go under the jackstands, but still put a few wheels and tires under the car anyway, just for protection.
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Good point, Pat. I put a set of wheels (with tires on them) underneath my car's rear tires to help with the safety thing...Like you, I'm not comfortable under a car with jacks, so I used a few hard jacks with a couple of hydraulic ones to help with the comfort thing. Do all your under car work with the car at a lower elevation, jacked to the max, before you raise it to take the engine out.
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Chappy, I just had an orgasm. I LOVE 914s. Almost as much as 930s
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I wish I had enough extra income laying around that I could get an ATV jack- looks so much nicer to work with...
I personally use 2 jacks, one under the motor and one under the trans.
After you do it once it is a very liberating experience...
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Next best to a turbo 914 is a 930
I used to build up the car high enough to drop and install the engine with pallets and timbers, i just never felt comfortable with the jack stands, i use them with the floor jack when changing tires in the driveway but wouldn't climb under a car supported only by them. I do some scary **** like extreme windsurfing and extreme skiing cornice drops into no fall chutes, but jack stands are to dangerous for me.

The lift table i use i purchased from Northern tools and i am sure that Harbor Freight has something similar, i think they run around 100 bucks. I love mine.
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Iamchappy, Ive never been a fan of 914's- but your car is so damned cool.
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Thank you so much guys i appreciate it......got it out!!!




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So guys....for the person who has never done an engine drop before...about how much time would you schedule from start to finish....not getting the engine back in the car...just from scratch to Jerry's last picture. Jerry, was that your first time? How many hours did it take?

I see this somewhere in my future but it seems so daunting. Yet, it's talked about on here like it happens all the time.

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btw...congrats Jerry!
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