Slantnose, Slant nose,Slope, M505 factory 930S documents, registry, ultimate,flachbau

[dohc]

Thank you Slfan

Just went to the garage today. They did all the fluids and got a bad and good news while cleaning the gas tank...


Rusty gas tank ! Filter was full of debris. They sent it out to be cleaned and will get it by tomorrow. The good news is the car did start with break cleaner test

Did the request for COA today from Porsche

Will keep you updated,

DOHC

[dohc]

Here she is With her older sis Sorry for the crappy pics...





Thank you all for this thread. My dad is now finally home...

DOHC

[speednme1]

Originally Posted by dohc

Here she is With her older sis Sorry for the crappy pics...





Thank you all for this thread. My dad is now finally home...

DOHC

Nice shot..awesome looking 4S...but you do mean younger sis right

[dohc]

Oops ! Yes, I mean younger sis lol

[Slfan]

Beautiful pair. Congrats!

[pkramer]

Hi All...I've been a long time Pelican user but this the first time I've posted on this post. I've read through all 40+ pages and am impressed at all the great info without all the banter you see on other threads.

I'm a bit stumped and I was hoping this community could help out. As many know, we strictly help owners sell their cars on consignment. Part of our job is helping the owners understand exactly what they have (or don't) and market it appropriately. Recently, a good friend of mine from AZ asked me if I would help him sell a close family friend's 930. Apparently, the owner is in his twilight years and has dimensia/alzheimer’s and just can’t remember much about his beloved 1985 Porsche 930 S Flachbau he purchased nearly 25-years ago. He did buy it from supposedly the original owner in AZ and believes that it was imported to AZ when it was nearly new. It did go through all the DOT/EPA stuff and received a catalytic converter, etc.

The deal is it was a custom ordered car by the original owner and imported via Grey market to the U.S. Everything was done legally in terms of bringing it into the States. The option sticker in the hood (see attached pics) is extremely vague with no options listed except the letter “S” in the far corner. The writing on the sticker is actually on a photo of the sticker done by the owner's friend when he was trying to decode things. There are some obvious mistakes. I told him the "930 770" was really just the designation for Turbo Coupe. Curiously, there are are no options listed on the hood sticker, but the certificate of authenticity from Porsche (which is historically wrong) shows all kinds of options (which are in fact on the car) but nothing about it being a Turbo S or a factory Flachbau. However, this car was custom ordered and it shows that in the paint to sample and interior to sample (we still have no idea what the actual color of the paint is called).

Upon close inspection of the vehicle, all the slant-nose options are in fact factory pieces and correctly installed…even down to the Porsche headlight motor used to move the pop-up headlights. The interior has the correct “S” center console and gauges. Also, it does have the K27 turbo, the extended neck inter-cooler, and the factory wrapped oil lines running through the front right fender. The car is at the shop right now getting new fog lights installed, a/c repaired, and a general inspection before we start listing it. I haven't taken any photos yet, but will do so soon if I can find the factory stampings on the box rockers, etc. The car was recently repainted the original color and it might be hard to see them. The flares are steel with the correct glass brake vents towards the back.

Finally, it has a very very unusual boost gauge in place of the clock (see picture). And, it has a very nice thick wood dash that looks factory. I did some research and found a very similar gauge and wood dash in the custom ordered street 935 for Mario Andretti that sold at Bonhams:

Bonhams : Factory commissioned and first owned by Mansour Ojjeh, Techniques d'Avant Garde,1983 Porsche 911 Type 930/935 Turbo Coupé Chassis no. WPOZZZ93ZDS000817 Engine no. 6700689

So, I’m scratching my head. How do I know if this is a “real” factory 930 S Flachbau or not? Everything points towards it being one of the 44 cars delivered in 1985. The owner believes so and does remember the car costing north of $115,000 when new.


Thanks a bunch.

Here are the pics I have so far...

[DSPTurtle]

I have one of the other "44 made in 1985". It was also imported via AZ. If you have any specific questions I will be happy to compare mine so you can verify whatever you need to. (Looks like the L999 was matched to a mistresses nail polish… LOL)

[pkramer]

LOL. Pretty funny. Thx DSP for the offer. Yeah, interesting color. Kina looks like a cross between Arena Red and Carmen Red. Wish I knew for sure.

[UDPride]

The most common Porsche Exclusive wood dashes at the time (mid-late 80s) were the Light Rootwood and Dark Rootwood Dash. You could also get the shifter/brake handles to match among other things. Hard to tell from your pics but it might be the Light Rootwood.

The dash alone was several thousand dollars.

Most hood stickers pre-1986 were void of option codes that were part of the overall vehicle build. In many cases, hardly any appear on the hood sticker despite the car being well optioned. Porsche did not start getting better about this until 1986. But even in the 2000s, there are build options that oftentimes dont appear because they run out of space. Ive seen that with a lot of cars with 12-15 X-code options. They tend to put the X codes on the sticker, but leave off other more mainstream ones.

Like the COAs, Porsche has never really focused on being consistent and accurate in their recordkeeping. Some of it you take with a grain of salt.

[pkramer]

Originally Posted by UDPride

The most common Porsche Exclusive wood dashes at the time (mid-late 80s) were the Light Rootwood and Dark Rootwood Dash. You could also get the shifter/brake handles to match among other things. Hard to tell from your pics but it might be the Light Rootwood.

The dash alone was several thousand dollars.

Most hood stickers pre-1986 were void of option codes that were part of the overall vehicle build. In many cases, hardly any appear on the hood sticker despite the car being well optioned. Porsche did not start getting better about this until 1986. But even in the 2000s, there are build options that oftentimes dont appear because they run out of space. Ive seen that with a lot of cars with 12-15 X-code options. They tend to put the X codes on the sticker, but leave off other more mainstream ones.

Like the COAs, Porsche has never really focused on being consistent and accurate in their recordkeeping. Some of it you take with a grain of salt.

Thanks...I think you are right. The dash is light rootwood and it is not your normal veneer. It is approx 1/4" think and made of solid wood. And, it is really done to a high quality. The shift know and ebrake are leather wrapped.

So, the big question is what is that "S" in the lower right corner of the hood sticker?

[pkramer]

Another question...were the front lower valences (where the oil cooler was mounted on the RoW models) made of steel or fiberglass?

Thanks.

Paul

[pkramer]

Ok...I know they talk about the different parts of a 930 Slant that help verify it's authenticity. So, here is what I have found so far on our '85 Coupe

1. the factory jack point has been extended with a 45-degree brace
2. the brace for the rocker has a part number
3. there is a windshield wiper resevoir under the driver side headlight
4. the inside of the rear flares have a fiberglass brake duct...the rest is steel with wood slats.
5. the engine has the long-neck 330hp intercooler and K27 Turbo

[WERK I]

How do you know they're wood slats? Unless you've done a biopsy on them and found wood sawdust, please don't call them wood. As I have mentioned to you, Paul, in an email, there's so much misinformation out there that this stuff continues to spread across the internet.


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3. there is a windshield wiper resevoir under the driver side headlight

It looks like it's cracked.


4. the inside of the rear flares have a fiberglass brake duct...the rest is steel with wood slats.

Again urban legend... The brake duct is either a composite or fiberglass and it goes all the way out to the body where it is bonded to the body. The 87's -89's had a partial steel, partial fiberglass duct.

[pkramer]

Thanks Dave.

The resevoir looks cracked, but it isn't...just dirt/cobwebs. Once the mechanic is done, it goes to the detailer for a good underside cleaning.

Yes, the fg brake ducts come all the way out to the body (just behind the slats) as I've seen in other cars. I'll try and take a pic from that angle.

Finally, I agree it is hard to tell if they are wood and I read how many mixed answers there were on this. My dad is a master woodworker who makes amazing craftsman style furniture. In fact, he just made a beautiful spalted maple vaneer for our backdated 911 R Gruppe car (see pic). He inspected these slats pretty carefully and thought they felt like wood. Of course, unless you cut one in half you will never know. Has it been clarified if all original slants were wood or did some come with a polycarbonate piece?

Pic of the spalted maple dash my dad created:

[bluebox88]

Paul-
Your car looks like a genuine factory Special Wishes model to me and was most likely one of the Sonderwunsche turbos brought in by Scottsdale Porsche-Audi back in the eighties. Scottsdale was the most prolific US importer of the factory slants and ordered their cars through Hahn Sportwagen in Stuttgart. Hahn worked closely with Porsche Werke 1 to see that the cars were ordered and built to Scottsdale's specifications. These cars were generously optioned with the special goodies that were only available to European Porsche buyers such as the performance engine, rootwood dash, LED boost, and leather covered everything. My 1986 factory Slant (link below) was also purchased through Hahn in Stuttgart and was one of a number of German cars I personally imported back in the eighties.

I think that Porsche and PCNA looked the other way during this period but this activity certainly played a part in encouraging the eventual availablility of the Slantnose package through the US dealers (who were losing expensive car sales/profits). Porsche, along with BMW and Mercedes ultimately acknowledged the demand by US buyers for the performance models and options previously offered only to European purchasers. This disparity fortunately does not exist for today's auto enthusiasts.

1986 Porsche Slant Nose Turbo with only 2,500 miles | Porschebahn Weblog

More pictures of your beautiful red metallic Slant would be appreciated when available.
Good luck, Bill

[pkramer]

Thanks Bill for the info...wow...what a bubble car. Looks brand new. Stunning.

We will have pictures of the car in a couple of weeks. Sorting out a few minor things, then off to the detailer for a top and bottom cleaning. I will definitely post the whole album once we are done. Also, stay tuned...a close friend of mine just dropped off a stunning '89 930 Slant nose coupe with 20k orig. miles. Black/Black orig paint.

[TZ 197]

This is what the '84 euro slant I was dealing with had for vents. You could see the duct/sheet metal seam at the inner perimeter. All else was factory parts and had the insulation wrapped front cooler lines running through the trunk.

This car was bought and sold as genuine, but sometimes I wonder. When someone shows exact details of a completely documented pre 505/506 it would sure help confirm. Or maybe they tried different stuff?

[dohc]

Hi all,

Got my COA yesterday ! Also found a set of Fuchs OEM and just installed them. Looks like it needs a drop and spacers...What spacers do you suggest ?




Now debating if I'm keeping the steering wheel (Momo Porsche Design) or changing for OEM.

DOHC

[WERK I]

Originally Posted by TZ 197

This is what the '84 euro slant I was dealing with had for vents. You could see the duct/sheet metal seam at the inner perimeter. All else was factory parts and had the insulation wrapped front cooler lines running through the trunk.

This car was bought and sold as genuine, but sometimes I wonder. When someone shows exact details of a completely documented pre 505/506 it would sure help confirm. Or maybe they tried different stuff?

TZ 197,
Thanks for sharing. I've never seen a seam like that before. I know the '87-'89's used a technique like that because they had now mounted the oil cooler in the brake vent. Is the other side's brake vent like that?
Hopefully, we can get some other owner's out there with '84 Sonderwunsch's to chime in. Of course, build numbers of these cars are so small that it may take a while to get someone's attention.

Here's a pic of my '85 Sonderwunsch's brake duct/vent taken a while ago.

[bluebox88]

TZ 197-

I think that your 1984 car is starting to show a bit of separation where the inner portion of the vent (fiberglass?) was fit to the steel opening by the body men at Werke1. I have seen similar cracking of the paint at this juncture on a number of the hand built factory cars (prior to 1987) including my own 1984 model. This is normally very slight and is a cosmetic issue and not structural. If slight it can possibly be addressed with professional detailing or of course corrected by prepping and painting.

Dave's 1985 slant looks perfectly smooth in this area (as intended) and may never show where the joining of the materials was fashioned for the vent. When the slant package was moved to the production line in MY87 it was not expedient to hand fashion each vent and Porsche resolved the issue by not bothering to disguise the joint and changed it to essentially a "bolt-on" body piece.
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