R(egular) S(chlep) rear seat conversion - 3pt belt inquiry

[krasuskyp]

Gentz- I've procured a set of used 3pt rear belts to retrofit into my POS (aka the Regular Schlep mod) so my monsters don't have to use them thar insipid Lapbets of Death. Can someone w/ any 911 that has rear 3pt rear belts have a look or share if they know how / where the top mount point is secured? Or if anyone's got a screen shot of the shop manual diagram maybe? I'm guessing it's just a bolt drilled thru the rear bulkhead on top there but any insight would be appreciated before I go hacking things up. My reels are external and I now see the 3pt cars have them integrated into the side panels - I'm a$$uming the reels are still on the bottom, not up top - yes/no? My numbskull's thank you in advance!

[motorracer]

my 86 has the holes under the rear shelf

[krasuskyp]

Originally Posted by motorracer

my 86 has the holes under the rear shelf

heynow!

ORLY?

NOICE!

I'll have a peeksee tonight - thanks for the tip, that's huge!

[JFairman]

You know those little rectangular black plastic trim things with rounded corners that fit into rectangular holes in the rear side panels for the front seat retractable shoulder belts?

You could cut rectangular hole slots the same size in the front side of the rear deck an inch or so down from the top of the rear deck and get a couple of those plastc trim things and fit them into the holes and run rear seat shoulder belts through them and bolt them to steel under the rear deck nearby the rear deck speaker holes.

I think 964 rear decks have rear seat shoulder belt slots with trim pieces in them from the factory. You could get one of those and put it in your car and do the same thing.
Doing it to your existing rear deck would be cheaper though and you can position the slots where you want them.

Just a thought...

[krasuskyp]

great suggestions Jim, thanks

I'll be trying to find me some of them plastic trim bits - may be a tough find, we'll see

[billjam]

Here you go ...
Easiest way is to buy a rear shelf trim from an '88 on car. I picked up one real easy with a WTB post in the parts forum. It comes with these plastic bits and the hole already in the right place. Much easier than diking around trying to cut holes to fit fragile plastic thingys. If you really want to cut the holes in your own trim, the dimensions are below, but you'll still need the plastic bits of course.
Your '87 car will already have the welded in nuts and the sound pad under the trim will have cutouts in it ready for the retractor mechanism to fit.
Pictures are worth a thousand words ...



This is what the rear parcel shelf trim looks like with vinyl/leather removed. The plastic bizzo fits into this opening.

[krasuskyp]

BILL!

that is HUGE - THANKS!!!!!

Eggzachry what I needed... again, very much appreciated!

Interesting, and here I thought the retractors fit on the bottom since they're there now. Good thing I asked heh heh.

[JFairman]

I used to have a nice blue Schroth ralleye harnes that narrowed down to a single belt and rear mounting pint. I wanted to put it in my car but the factory sport seats that I have and like made by Recaro don't have the slot holes to behind your shoulders keep the shoulder belts in place so I sold it instead.
I used to have it installed in an old BMW and hardly ever used it anyway because I couldn't lean forward to reach the radio or AC controls with it on.

If I was going to get a driver seat with the shoulder belt slots in it I didn't want a harness bar in the car and I was going to mount the single rear belt through the rear deck like I mentioned above.
I thought about looking for a used rear deck with the slot already in it like pictured above but the problem with that is the slot is offset way over to the right corner and thats no good for the Schroth ralleye harness I had.
A rear deck mounting hole had to be centered behind the driver seat and the only way to do that is cut your own hole in the rear deck and do it like I mentioned above.
It's also a lot cheaper and I like doing things to the car my way.

If having the harness slot offset and in the corner with a retractable belt mechanism is desirable and will work the later rear deck with the holes and everything is definately the best way to go.

[krasuskyp]

I scored the trim bits from Rex @ DC Auto, same outfit I got the belts from after posting a WTB post in the classifieds and he PM'd me.

He's been most excellent to work with and their prices were reasonable.

I'll graft the trim into my existing deck upon receipt. Sweet.

Wouldn't have gotten far w/o your pics & insight Bill, thanks much again!

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by krasuskyp

Gentz-

I've procured a set of used 3pt rear belts to retrofit into my POS (aka the Regular Schlep mod) so my monsters don't have to use them thar insipid Lapbets of Death.

Can someone w/ any 911 that has rear 3pt rear belts have a look or share if they know how / where the top mount point is secured?

Or if anyone's got a screen shot of the shop manual diagram maybe?

I'm guessing it's just a bolt drilled thru the rear bulkhead on top there but any insight would be appreciated before I go hacking things up.

My reels are external and I now see the 3pt cars have them integrated into the side panels - I'm a$$uming the reels are still on the bottom, not up top - yes/no?

My numbskull's thank you in advance!

I started reading this (being in the same fix me own self, with two crotchfruit which sitz in bak) and I thunk to meself, "Self, that writing style looks REALLY familiar."

LOL.

I have been thinking about procuring a 964 parcel shelf to see if it's a straight swap. I have heard neither yea nor nay, so I am going forward. If I find out it is a straight swap, y'all will find out.

LOL, again.

[krasuskyp]

yep, it's me - for better / werserer

So I got the belts in last night. Few notes:

- the supplied top bolts are barely long enough to get the starter thread to bite (because another 2 f'n threads would weigh / cost too much I'm guessing - wtf)
- said lack of bite had me thinking it was loosely secured until I tug'd on the belt and the reel came flying at me
- said reel flying caused said reel to inexplicably lockup - apparently these are precocious little buggers
- unlocking reel took entiiiiiiirely too long / too much effort
- squeezing reel assembly to manipulate it into place within the sound pad to line up the bolt (reference said bolt length, ends up being a colossal PITA to get it to bite) then leads to the reel binding and not retracting and sounding all sorts of graunchy... the plastic case must be gently pulled 'apart' to remedy (reference aforementioned precoucious little bugger statement)

screw spending the crink on a replacement panel, I slotted mine and will install the plastic trimbits upon their arrival 8-)

all in all, what should have been a (12) phillips screws & (4) 17mm bolt job turned into a (4) bier cussfest - par / unfortunately typical course

not the most funnest place to spend any amount of time in mind you... esp when it's humid and you're fumbling w/ things getting frustrated

alas, my monsters (roflmao @ crotchfruit btw) will be more securely buckled back thar now which is cool and worth it

good luck on yours, Eric

[alfisti]

Folks, are 964 rear belts OK to use, to convert my '87 Carrera? Are they the same as the ones on an '88?

Thanks
-Glenn