any electrical geniuses here? H1 100w/100w Q

[krasuskyp]

Got me a set of H1's coming finally, been wanting these for a loooooong time and finally pulled the trigger on a set.

GIDDY!

I'm, er AIMING to run 100w/100w as well as run lo/hi simultaneouslike for the ultimate in Just Not Right lighting (I live in the sticks), and am wondering if any of youses har can shed any, ahem... LIGHT on the matter (boooooo... yeah, I know).

I ordered the JWest relay kit from our host as well as socket converters, and have done some reading here (911 Tech forum) but questions linger, as my level of electrical acumen tops out at don't stick yer finger into a power outlet and the fact that many (wrongly) suspect that I grew up under high tension power lines or near a nuke plant.

So...

What has to be done to run lo/hi simultaneous?

Will I melt the wires integral to the units (brown ones on back)?

Will I melt the plugs?

Will I melt the reflectors

Are there any other wires upstream that need to be addressed when running such set up?

Any gotchyas or suggestions otherwise?

Any install notes / diagrams / pictures / etc.? I'm not that smaht.

I sooooocannot wait... this setup will ROCK worlds beyond the infernally insipid H5s. Barely more output than the pair of candles on the nose of my former TR3. They're FS on the classifieds pair of H5's and Guards trim rings if anyone's looking for a set (what, my scintillating review of them isn't a good sales pitch?).

TIA gents...

[JFairman]

If you want a lot more white light out front the Dzug HID headlight set up is around 4 times brighter than any old halogen lights ever made without melting wires, relays, hi/lo steering column switches... or your alternator on a dark night in the middle of nowhere.

[mark houghton]

Paulie,

I don't know, man (ok, nobody says "man" anymore but me...but I like it better than dude, ya know)? It's an old 60's Maynard G. Krebs thing.

I suspect that in order to prevent meltage and such, a person would have to run two separate circuits and relays for the low and high beams, with their own dedicated wires large enough to handle 100W (about 8 amps draw). 10 guage wire would probably do the trick and reduce voltage drop. Too much work IMHO. Be happy with the H1's as they are or do what Jim suggested with HID....now that you've already spent the coin!

Yeah, the H5's are piecess of crap, but then I rarely drive at night so I've never even thought about upgrading them. Just turn on the driving lights to help a bit.

[dap930]

Paul,

If you look at any 911 electrical schematic it shows the headlights wired up to European specifications which has both high and low beams on when the high beams are on. In the schematic below I have drawn in how the USA spec cars are wired. The USA wiring uses the stalk switch to turn off the low beams and turn on the high beams when you flip the stalk. With the European version, low beams get power directly from the headlight switch, so they are powered continuously. When you flip the stalk for high beams, it powers the high beams. To change yours just disconnect the yellow wire from the stalk switch and connect the other end to the loose yellow wire you will find the stalk switch wiring bundle.



Each 100 watt bulb will draw about 8 amps for a total of about 32 amps, which is fairly large load on the alternator. The wiring should be OK with the relay mod. I'm not sure how hot the head lamps will get

[krasuskyp]

Thanks Dennis, that insight / diagram are hugely helpful! Makes sense to even me!

Mark maaaan (I can't help but hear that w/ Chong's voice)... appreciate the response as well. Hadn't thunk about the alternator draw, but seems a number of folks on 911Tech forum run 100/100 or even 100/130... including such luminaries as Grady Clay. Didn't (yet) see any mentions of the alternator but good point nonetheless.

Jimbo... must be an off-day for you. Yer replies are always Oracle... today... well tell me something I didn't know? 8-) D-Zug projekktorz whilst totally gnarly and uber awesome... aren't the 'look' I'm going for with my particular heap. I've had a soft spot for H1's since I was a wee one I guess.

They arrived here @ lunch, a day early - what a treat. I'd scored a great deal on these and took a bit of a gamble as they looked somewhat crusty. But I blew up the ad pics and sleuthed them the best my eye could, and determined they weren't rashed but rather realllly grimed on the inside so I shot a pie/sky low offer and we worked out what I consider to be a damn great deal considering the market on these f'n things.

What a friggin amazement I just found upon cracking one open... filthy, but nary a sign of any rash on OE raised Bosch lenses, and reflectors dusty but perfect. SCHWING!

One missing mounting screw (6:00 position)... anyone got any laying around or suggestions for source / alternative?

Any more feedback regarding experience running these bulbs, etc. appreciated. Seems with the relays and clean grounds, etc. I should be OK...

[Tug68]

How bout this?

Lighting / HID
High Intensity Discharge (HID) lighting is the new standard, delivering more light while requiring less maintenance. HID lighting is brilliant and it is 100% street legal.

Definition of HID
High Intensity Discharge (HID) lighting is light from a plasma discharge rather than a filament. The system involves a ballast to start the light and certain gasses to create the light. Overall the system uses less energy than conventional halogen lighting, while producing 3x more light.

How HID lights work
High Intensity Discharge Lights do not have a filament. Instead light is created from an electrical discharge between two electrodes in a micro-environment of xenon gas and metal halide salts. The light is emitted by an electrically energized gas – a plasma discharge – formed and sustained between the two electrodes.

The distinctive blue-white light of HID lamps stimulates the reflective paints in road markers and signs creating a safer driving environment. Additionally, the increased light output is designed to illuminate a wider area in front of the vehicle, improving visibility and safety, without disturbing the vision of oncoming drivers

Why HID?
HID lamps have over three times the lumens per watt of traditional halogen light sources and are more efficient at converting electrical energy into light. They produce at least 70% more light than traditional lamps, and use less power while producing less heat.


Halogen bulb
HID lamp


White
Blue White
Blue
Purple
Color temp.(K)
3,200 K
6,000 K
7,000 K
8,000 K
4,000 K
Luminance(lm)
1500 Lm
3,200 Lm
3,000 Lm
2,800 Lm
3,000 Lm
Life(hrs)
400 hrs
2,000 hrs
2,000 hrs
2,000 hrs
2,000 hrs
Wattage
55W-75W
35 W
35 W
35 W
35 W
Visual light
Yellow
White
Blue White
Blue
Pink Purple







The safety drivers deserve.
Every night, drivers depend on their lights for safety. With a more intense, whiter light than halogen, HIDs deliver three times the output, improved peripheral vision, and enhanced down-road visibility.

Some auto experts cite the almost complete darkness on isolated highways as a reason for why HID lighting is becoming popular. HID lights promote safety by providing a better overall view of the roadway and the ability to see upcoming objects quickly and more clearly. For example, road signs and objects on the road are easier to see when illuminated by HID headlights.

Installation
Installation is a direct plug-in to the existing bulb wiring; no additional wiring is necessary in most vehicles.


Porsche's HID system, called "Litronic," was first offered for the 993 Turbo to replace conventional halogen bulbs for the low beams. The 996 Turbo received HIDs for both low and high beams.

Now, any Porsche's lighting can be upgraded to this modern standard!
- Low beam bulbs can be replaced for HID low / halogen high, like the 993 Turbo, 996, 997, etc.
- High beams can be upgraded on Litronic-equipped cars to get HID low + high, like the 997 Turbo
- Dual beam H4s and 9004s can be upgraded to a combination low+high HID

Model
Low Beam / High Beam
Fog
Driving
911, USA-spec thru 1986
sealed beam 40/45W *
H3

911, USA-spec 1987-89
9004
H3

911, RoW thru 1989
H4
H3

Includes 911 Turbos







964, USA-spec 1989-94
9004
H3

964, RoW 1989-94
H4
H3

Includes 911 Turbos







993, all, without Litronic
H1 / H1
H3

993, all, with Litronic
Osram or Philips / H1
H3





996, all, 1999-01, without Litronic
H7 / H7
H7

996, all, 1999-01, with Litronic
Osram or Philips / H7
H7

996, all, 2002-05, without Litronic
H7 / H9
H3

996, all, 2002-05, with Litronic
Philips / H11
H3

Includes GT3







996 Turbo, all
dual Litronic standard
H8





997, all, 2005-, without Litronic
H7 / H9
H8

997, all, 2005-, with Litronic
Philips / H11
H8





997 Turbo, all
dual Litronic standard






986, all thru 2001, without Litronic
H1 / H1
H3

986, all thru 2001, with Litronic
Osram or Philips / H1
H3





987, without Litronic
H7 / H9


987, with Litronic
Philips / H11


Includes Cayman







955 with I8BR (halogen)
H7 / H7
H11
H7
955 with I8BC (Litronic)







928, USA-spec thru 1986
sealed beam 40/45W *
H3

928, USA-spec 1987-89
9004
H3

928, RoW thru 1995
H4
H3
H3




944, USA-spec
sealed beam 40/45W *
H3

944, RoW thru 1991
H4 55W/60W
H3
H3




968, all
H4 55W/60W
H3
H1








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[Hams930T]

Where are you copying that from?

[Tug68]

Sorry I forgot to add that small bit of info I got it from TurboKraft's page.

[krasuskyp]

Tim-

So you're suggesting (or Chris is) to run HID's in an H1 housing / lens?

Everything I've ever read (Daniel Stern, etc.) suggests that doing such just tosses out an enormous amount of light basically everywhere and nowhere simultaneouslike.

Am I confuzor'd? (typical)

I'm pretty certain H1's mit 100/100 or even 100/130 as some are known to run are gonna be the cat'sass 8-).

And there's simply no refuting the look. Sexxxxaaaaaaaaaaay, even in their just out of the box just out of the 15-20yr barn sentence motif as modeled har:





fretnot! A little spitshine and Bob's mah uncle!:



How kewl is that fer hmmm $630shipped 8-). Muwhahahaaa...

I finally got to do a live compare contrasto that I'd only yet been able to do virtually via online pixorz and was able to at last quantify what exactly it is about an H1 that looks sodamncool compared to godawful H5's.

The face of the H1 is nearly 1/2" longer - meaning - it has significantly more of surface area to it:





(OK, so you can't read ^the tape^ but use yer imagination?)

The H5s taper inward from the trim ring considerably in all directions, leaving a much smaller diameter face. The H1s are loud 'n proud and in yo face - love it.

I'm torn on the trim rings... chrome is very 'right' for the units. Thing is, it's also very wrong for a 930 IMO what with all the black trim. Alas, I'm likely gonna send these (and my shotgunblasted Flag mirrors) in with the dp front valance for Guards sprayin. I'm torn, but I'm thinking I don't really have a choice here...

[Hams930T]

Paint them. If they were the black ringed housings you could leave them alone, but the chrome rings aren't period correct for your car. Besides, nothing else is chrome on your car. Black or Guards would be my vote

[krasuskyp]

thanks fer chiming in

I've seen the black rings on non-black cars... looks a bit too much like the dog from Little Rascals IMHO (no offense to anyone rockin that look - just doesn't do it for me).

So yeah... Guards they go.

[Jeff NJ]

Lens looks great!

Agree that the trim rings need to be GR.

Will you be able to show before and after pics showing how much brighter they are? I have driven mine at night and it definitely is not bright enough, so this is something on my list to do. Either superbright lamps like yours or HID.

[krasuskyp]

Sure I'll install one H1 w/ my existing H5, shoot some shots and post them up. Hafta see if I can score the uberbulbs right away what with all the other stoopid damn projects I'm juggling but relayed 55w H1s are going to be measurably better than 55w H5s fersure.

Prob won't be for a few weeks, if I'm lucky... as I want to refurb the H1s the best I can and don't want to rush that (I'm noooo perfectionist nor expert so not huge undertaking) - but - I will def report back. I was systematically categorically outdriving my H5s whilst WOT'ing @ night. NOT FUN whatsoever.

I've seen a few individual H1s FS on the classifieds recently for reasonable coin - could be a good way to get into them below market ($1k+++/pair seems to be the going rate?). Just a thought.

Thanks for the GR affirmation 8-)...

[Jeff NJ]

Appreciate it!

I'm not ready to start this project (couple other things first), so whenever you get er done, pics would be awesome!

[krasuskyp]

there's ALWAYS "a couple of other things first"... d'oh!

hey, took me - hmmmmm - SEVEN FRICKIN YEARS to get around to these...

there's always something 8-/

[356911930]

I have to respectfully disagree with respect to the H1 chrome rings. When I got my H1s my girlfriend "suggested" I paint the chrome rings to match the body color, sounded like a good idea at the time. Now I have H1s with chrome rings on my 930 and realize they look the best... IMHO. Take a second look at the pictures you posted... they look great!

Rahl

[pkracer21j]

Paul, just buy the trim rings (their like $70) and have them painted. they clip over your H1 adjustment bezels and are the proper way to have color coded headlight rings. not to mention less prep for the body shop, and more resale value in the future if you do away with the H1's and give them back to the long nose crowd.

[Tug68]

Originally Posted by pkracer21j

Paul, just buy the trim rings (their like $70) and have them painted. they clip over your H1 adjustment bezels and are the proper way to have color coded headlight rings. not to mention less prep for the body shop, and more resale value in the future if you do away with the H1's and give them back to the long nose crowd.

+1,that is what I have on my car Paul

[Robbbyg]

If you want your lens to look better
Use cut and polish and a rag

[krasuskyp]

Hey Rahl - thanks for the counter perspective. Part of me does appreciate that look, just not certain it's 'me' yet for my car.

Pete! Owe you a shoutout, been awhile since we caught up bish.

Tim... got any pics? I cannot see how that wouldn't look too clunky / beefy? I'd read about those extra rings and seen them in the parts diagram but have a hard time envisioning them.

Robbby w/3b's... I want my lense to look better than the loose one pic'd above? Unpossable... these are near perfect but thanks 8-).

So yeah, dumbarse me posted my quest for the missing mounting screw before I looked @ my H5s as I removed them. Same screw - super!