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930 correct boost gauge source point
What is the best place to tap for source boost for my boost pressure gauge?
I have an 86 930 running a 3.4L EFI with Garrett G35 & Tial waste gauge. I have a Andial tattle-tale 2 bar boost gauge in lieu of the clock and am running a 0.8bar Tial wastegate spring. When I tap the boost source at the Tial the gauge works & tracks boost well BUT bounces the tattle-tale to 1.8bar on shifts. I then moved the tap point to the throttle body and solved the bounce problem but the gauge only shows boost under a hard pull and then only momentarily BUT does stop at the correct 0.8 bar. Recommendations?
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Up front - off your brake boost line.
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As stated above get an adapter to tap off the vacuum line for the brake booster
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Manual non-boosted breaks on this one.
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You are kidding, right? No vacuum assist brakes?
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Where can one find a wonky adapter for that booster line? I havent seen one in regular autostores.
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You've already got a line to the engine - where the boost line belongs. Pipe it below the throttle plate so the gage only sees the boost that the engine sees. Above the throttle plate you will see chop throttle spikes. Cutting into brake vac lines is nuts, those are your BRAKES.
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Tapping into the brake booster line for a boost gauge has no effect on brake booster action, it's still a closed system. For my AEM boost gauge and data logger I tee'd into the rubber booster line on the inside right behind the go pedal. It connects to the steel line in the tunnel that runs back to the engine bay and then goes to the manifold with a rubber line.
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Brian - makes no difference to the brakes. At all. Think about all the manifold leaks and hose leaks in the engine when you have tuning issues. They also feed into the brake vacuum system. No effect. Your engine is a 3.3 l vacuum pump. It overwhelms any leaks - even assuming you have a leak at the boost gauge line. Think about all the cracked and missing hoses - makes no difference to the brakes.
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I didn't have a booster on my 930 either
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Thanks Guys... I'm tapped into the intake below the throttle plate. Works without spike but is not very sensitive to partial boost. And yes, no power brakes or steering on this one... pure.
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So, forgive me, but why wouldn't you run a brake booster on that beast? Was it the physical limitation of fitting it in? You must have developed some strong thigh muscles. Maybe that was the reason :-)
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