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mikedsilva 09-12-2016 01:07 PM

Today (hopefully) is my cam tower to head attachment...

So, I plan to use the 1104 Neo, which I believe is recommended.
How Much sealant do I need to apply?
Is it a matter of applying a small bead to the tower around the bolt holes or does the whole surface need to be "spread" with a thin layer?

The below photo I pulled from a screen shot of the Pfixit dvd (which I have watched about 20 times)
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florent78 12-02-2016 09:34 AM

hi guys


where do you put the curil T between the cylinder and case ?

just on the copper gasket ?
both side

or around the cylinder going inside the case ?

thanks for your help

Henry Schmidt 12-02-2016 09:49 AM

We use Curil T on both sides of the base gasket and on any gasket that may be removed regularly (IE: sump cover gaskets).
The sealant you see on the cylinder spigot is excess wiped from the gasket. Won't hurt but isn't necessary.

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Mark Henry 12-02-2016 10:02 AM

Personally I'm not a fan of Curil T, never fails to leak for me.
I have 2 unopened tubes here both from supertec kits. I'll never use them. SmileWavy

Only place I use RTV is the base shims,
If you're a RTV hater you can use something like Elring Dirko....oh wait that's also RTV....or maybe...damn it's RTV again ;)

Henry Schmidt 12-02-2016 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Henry (Post 9381120)
I have 2 unopened tubes here both from supertec kits. I'll never use them. SmileWavy

Send them back and I'll give you credit for both tubes.

florent78 12-02-2016 01:55 PM

thanks Henri

will use the Curil T


as I asked you, I don't know what kind of grease or perhaps oil I should use with the supertec head stud kit.

porsche rebuild manual says to use optimoly HT for the washer and the stud thread (hex nut side).

some friends just use oil

or dry ? (I don't think so)

what's the best solution ?

Henry Schmidt 12-02-2016 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by florent78 (Post 9381363)
thanks Henri

will use the Curil T


as I asked you, I don't know what kind of grease or perhaps oil I should use with the supertec head stud kit.

porsche rebuild manual says to use optimoly HT for the washer and the stud thread (hex nut side).

some friends just use oil

or dry ? (I don't think so)

what's the best solution ?

Old stud kit came with anti seize but newer kits come with Supertec SpeedLube.
It's a formula we've developed over the past 15 years that we've used in our engine for at least 10 year. Over 300,000 test miles.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480728166.jpg

Mark Henry 12-02-2016 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt (Post 9381355)
Send them back and I'll give you credit for both tubes.

Other person(s) bought the kits.
Also in Canada so cost of shipping would likely be the same as the refund. ;)

rs-vic 12-14-2016 07:40 PM

FYI, the blue o-rings supplied in the Victor Reinz kits are silicone rubber. Our host here offers 5 different flavors.
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Trackrash 01-10-2017 10:02 AM

Perhaps off topic but.....

What sealant should I use on my transmission gaskets? This leak started suddenly about 2 weeks ago. Trans was rebuilt, by me, about 5 years ago. Lots of autocrosses and DEs since. Nuts are tight.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1484074940.jpg
Thanks,

DRACO A5OG 01-10-2017 12:28 PM

I used the paper gasket plus copper spray on gasket.

arbita1 01-10-2017 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trackrash (Post 9427702)
Perhaps off topic but.....

What sealant should I use on my transmission gaskets? This leak started suddenly about 2 weeks ago. Trans was rebuilt, by me, about 5 years ago. Lots of autocrosses and DEs since. Nuts are tight.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1484074940.jpg
Thanks,

When I rebuilt my transmission everyone recommended paper gaskets with curel t. I have no leaks thus far.

safe 01-10-2017 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trackrash (Post 9427702)
Perhaps off topic but.....

What sealant should I use on my transmission gaskets? This leak started suddenly about 2 weeks ago. Trans was rebuilt, by me, about 5 years ago. Lots of autocrosses and DEs since. Nuts are tight.


Thanks,

I used Loctite 574 and no paper gaskets.

Trackrash 01-12-2017 09:30 AM

Thanks.

I am leaning toward curl-t this time around.

It's weird, to me, that one week my trans was dry. The next week it starts to leak from the gasket?

Henry Schmidt 01-12-2017 04:43 PM

Over the years, my method varied depending on specific intent.
In a race transmission where it is likely to be disassembled frequently, I use Curil T.
When building a gear box that will likely be together for an extended period of time, I use a thin coat of 574 on the paper gasket.

Tippy 01-12-2017 05:08 PM

Is the original post up to date?

Going to reseal mine shortly.

Trackrash 01-12-2017 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt (Post 9430878)
Over the years, my method varied depending on specific intent.
In a race transmission where it is likely to be disassembled frequently, I use Curil T.
When building a gear box that will likely be together for an extended period of time, I use a thin coat of 574 on the paper gasket.

That's good to know.

BTW. I used a thin coat of RTV on the gaskets when I built this trans about 5 years ago. Worked for five years. Once I get it apart in a couple of days maybe the point of failure will be evident:rolleyes:

Lapkritis 01-13-2017 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippy (Post 9430903)
Is the original post up to date?

Going to reseal mine shortly.

This truth still stands:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lapkritis (Post 9040936)
Suggest including Dupont Krytox GPL 207 in the list at least as an alternative as we've shown, ad nauseum, the dow grease widely used actually weakens o-ring strength.



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Henry Schmidt 01-13-2017 06:22 AM

After 16 plus years and literally hundreds of 911 based air-cooled engines assembled using Dow 55 o-ring lubricant, we have had zero reported instances of case leaks due to o-ring failure. Over the past few years of selling our case sealing kit through our host, Pelican Parts, the feedback has been overwhelmingly positive.
As a matter of fact, we are sending out a stock order for sealing kits today.

You don't have to trust me, the DOD uses Dow 55 today after decades of success in the weapon systems listed below that are still in service.

Dow 55 Military Application
NSN 9150-01-066-1823
02 N Strategic Weapon Systems(Poseidon and Trident)
23 N Ohio Class Ssbn (Trident)
43 N Aircraft, Hornet F/A-18
55 N Aircraft, Harrier AV-8B
6F M Howitzer Medium Towed Light Weight 155
BE N Missile, All-Weather Anti-Ship, Harpoon (AGM-84)
BM N Torpedo Systems, Mk 46
CM N Adcap Torpedo, Mark 48
CT F Aircraft, Osprey CV-22B
CX N Aircraft, Osprey V-22A, Marine Corps
EX N Los Angeles Class Ssn (688)
EZ N Ticonderoga Class Cg (47)
FJ A Lightweight 155MM Towed Artillery System, M777A2
HZ N Forrestal Class Cv
JA N Nimitz Class Cvn
JC N Fms - Kidd Class Ddg
JD N Arleigh Burke Class Ddg
JF N Oliver Perry Class (FFG-7)
JG N Seawolf Class Ssn
JM N Emory S. Land Class as
JR N Fms - Knox Class Ff
YJ N Virginia Class Submarine, SSN-774
Z9 N Aircraft, FA-18, a - D, E/F, G (Growler)

Lapkritis 01-13-2017 07:37 AM

How many of those applications are in contact with viton?

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