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http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=41145 - but not as cheaply as when I got mine ($100). |
Did you need to modify it in any way? That handle looks like it could
require that the rear bumper come off. Any troubles that way? |
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Thanks guys, that looks like the best solution by far. Hope it doesn't also require a floor lift for the car - does it? Otherwise I now just need to figure where I can store the thing when not in use. I do already have
a floor jack with potential to temporarily lift the rear of the car high enough to get is all under.........I think. I just took a look at Sears.com and note that they have now added an aluminum model ATV jack, which is only 44 pounds, and that light weight would be important for me. I will have to squirrel it away somewhere when not in use. Not planning to stick my nose outside the bunker for the next few days, but after the rush I will have a look at these things. |
These exhaust studs have been known to break in service. I
have been lucky and cannot remember a broken stud, but surely wouldn’t like lying on my back to drill out the remains. So this seems like cheap insurance – just change them all while they are easy to deal with. Chris Sokoloski is developing a 964 drill guide for use in the event when one should break. His tool will use, I believe, three pins to locate the tool on that sealing ring depression. Then a nut will hold it in place on whichever stud remains, providing a safe way to drill out the broken off remains. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1166816651.jpg Don’t bother looking for that nice, Snap-On stud remover…….it will not help you here. Double-nuts would probably get them out, and this little ‘el-cheapo from Taiwan took them all out without a problem. Did not require heat. This style tool ruins the threads, of course, but the old studs are headed for the trash bin anyway. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1166816758.jpg First observe that the new studs are slightly unequal in the threaded sections, and don’t get them backwards. Porsche designates stud length in terms of that length extending above the surface, in this case 8 x 22. The 22 length will be both the longer threaded section and the short unthreaded section. Chase out the threads, double-nut the new studs, and set them in with Loctite 271. Somewhere along in this process you will start to wonder about replacing them with stainless studs, and using copper or brass nuts as an "upgrade" in hope of longer life. Ask yourself why Porsche didn’t think of that! Then order a set of OEM hardware. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1166817088.jpg |
Great rebuild thread! I'm impressed with your clenliness! It's much nicer and awarding to work with clean parts.
About pistons: certain pistons have offset wrist-pins which means that pistons should be mounted in certain direction according to crank rotation. Make sure your pistons really are symetrical before you bolt that thing together, or vibrations might occur. |
Thanks for the suggestion Goran. Yes, I wondered about that but could
not see any difference at all. It looked as though it made no difference which way the pistons went in. So I placed the stamped identification/ weight group markings at the top....which seems tne natural way. |
Not sure if I was reading this correctly, but weren't your pistons marked with an 'E' to mean that side goes towards the intake?
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I don't know if this is the case with 964 N/A pistons, but I clearly remember a friend of mine mumbling about "having pistons assembled backwards on one halv of engine" in one case where 993TT pistons were used. With other words, if pistons really are asymetric, halv of pistons should be installed "with letters downwards"... |
Thanks Kirk, and thank you Goran, for sticking with this,
Yes the pistons are cast with an E, and that is where the weight markings also are located. So E means intake. Thanks, they are in correctly and I feel much better knowing it. That part about E meaning intake was probably dropped from the manuals on the assumption that everyone knows that! I just went back and found the reference under piston identification - "Letter in the middle (towards inlet side)". It was right there in front of me, and I missed it. Thanks again, that issue is closed. |
One chore I can move back to, while waiting for the last head to
return, is the matter of rubber fuel hoses. I had tagged this hose in the engine bay for replacement due to old age (16 years), back when I was replacing the oil lines. All the fuel lines on the 964 seem to be a combination of steel tubing and rubber flex hose at the ends, as in this example. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1166912932.jpg This particular one is easily removed and taken over to the bench. I cannot see the sense of replacing the entire part, when only the rubber section is too old. Expecting to find conventional barbs under the clamp and rubber, I start by carefully cutting most of the way across the clamp. OK to go through into the hose……..but use extreme care near the end and don’t attempt to cut the full length. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1166913039.jpg Rather, use wire cutters or such to start the edges back and gain a real grip with these vice-grip tools. Back-and-forth to work harden the uncut portion and soon they will snap open with no damage to the steel section of the line. Members with a more elegant method of doing this – please feel welcome to make suggestions. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1166913156.jpg With the clamps off we find that indeed there is a nice barb style end for the new hose. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1166913232.jpg The hose ID on this particular run is 10mm and so I am using here a section of the new Silicone hoses. Whatever you use be sure it is rated for fuel. This is a high temperature fuel hose and rated for 30 bars pressure. As it is only a fuel return to the tank that is overkill, but I already had the hose section on hand. Purist will wonder if the original style clamp could be used. NO. It is very close to a number six air conditioning ferrule but there is no way to get one back on after cutting it from the fitting. You will have to buy the entire line if the original look is important enough. For me, I used a stainless worm clamp, BUT be sure to get clamps with smooth clamping surfaces. Those with the open worm screw grooves will ruin silicone hose like this in short order. Some of the other flex ends must be done in place, for the metal sections run all the way under the car to the fuel tank end. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1166913339.jpg The fuel rails were approached in a similar way. Those hose sections look OK really, but they too have been declared too old for further service. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1166913429.jpg In this case though there was a little surprise for me. The clamps were cut off as before, but the hose was not what I expected. Perhaps this photo will illustrate, that the injection rubber flex sections are really a plastic hose covered in a rubber outer skin. They are COHLINE 370 hose in 9mm ID. I had measured the metal pipe sections and ordered 8mm injection hose from our host. However, as the photo illustrates, the metal section is larger inside the rubber hose fitting. SO, the hose I have (actually it arrived in 7.5 mm ID) will not do. Initial searches have been fruitless, either for the COHLINE 370 or for a 9 mm ID fuel injection hose. Will keep you informed……… and would welcome any information/suggestions on the matter. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1166913508.jpg One thing was certainly strange here – when I attacked the clamp ferrule I noticed that it was loose and actually not even touching the hose? This hose section was providing its own seal, without any clamp whatsoever. Now I also observe that the hose size is 8mm and it has been forced to expand to the 9mm fitting. I go over to all the other “clamps” on this fuel rail plumbing, and they are ALL loose enough to spin around with my finger? Also, look at those metal sections. There are not one, but several barbs in place, and really no flat section to take a clamp. What is going on here? I shall have to look into this, for we seem to have stumbled on to something new. |
Well, since the ferrule style clamps are not actually clamping
anything, it will be easier to cut around the circumference near the ends, and simply slip back the body of the clamp to allow the hose to be slit through. Use a sharp x-acto blade and cut through the reinforcing cord of the hose. It will then easily come off. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167165271.jpg So it seems that what we have discovered in this exercise is a development in fuel hoses that until now had escaped my notice. This is high-pressure fuel hose, or simply fuel injection hose. I have not yet found the German spec code for the stuff, but here in USA the rough equivalent is SAE 30R9. All the major suppliers, Gates – ACDelco – Goodyear, and others will have a product to this spec. 30R9 hose will have an inner, laminated tube, like that noted in the Cohline 370 hose, and is a Fluoroelastomer providing a low permeation shield for the remainder of the hose section (which will be of traditional components). The inner tube is impervious to anything likely to ever be in your fuel system and thus protects the outer hose from swelling, cracking and such. 30R9 hose will have an operating pressure range up to 180 psi and a burst pressure rating of 900 psi. The temperature spec is up to 275 F for continuous operation and intermittent temps up to 302 F. The photo is a section of the Goodyear product. You will find that 5/16 hose will be an acceptable replacement for 8 mm German hose, and 3/8 hose will replace the 10 mm originals. About four feet of each will be more than enough for the entire system, and both sizes are needed. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167165574.jpg Another somewhat surprising change has apparently come along regarding the fittings and clamps. Those loose clamps I noticed earlier were not accidental or poor quality control. End fittings with that Christmas-tree look (several barbs and no flats for a clamp) are known as no-clamp fittings or push-on fittings. One does not need to clamp them and to do so would be a mistake as you risk damaging the inner tube section. So why were those ferrules put on there? Static display clamps don’t make much sense to me so I have left them off entirely. Someone with more experience/knowledge of the new hose/no- clamp fittings please feel welcome to join the discussion. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167165816.jpg Oh, the tag hanging down is just a reminder that all the hose end fittings are still loose, and need tigntening after final adjustments... Shouldn't need crutches for such obvious things, but better safe than sorry. |
Do you have a past work history in a semiconductor clean room or making bio medical products? Everything looks so so well thought out and prepped, I just wanted to say kudos and you are my benchmark the way to do it right the first time.
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What a nice comment renaissanceman! Happy New Year to you!
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Good news has arrived regarding the head stud extraction
tooling. Christian has the prototype completed and several of the tools have now been run off. The testing phase is underway, in which one of the good studs in my head will be drilled out as confirmation of the tool’s precision. Here in Nevada, it is now time to launch my attack on the Tiptronic transmission. Plan of action is to replace each oil seal where a rotating shaft leaves the case. I have had no leaks to date but again, the seals will be retired with full honors after having served for 16 long years without a failure. Some special tools are to be needed. The homemade affair in the foreground has already been tested as an acceptable substitute for Porsche tool 9325, which is essential to hold the torque converter in place while separating the transmission from the engine. The flat section bolts on the flange where the starter motor previously resided, and that forked affair is tightened up behind the torque converter edge to secure it. The extended shank Snap-On torx drive socket has been modified by grinding away the flats sufficiently to substitute as Porsche 9330, and will be needed when we get to the port side driveshaft flange. The length of steel pipe nipple has already proven useful in pressing in VW Vanagon rear wheel bearings, and looks to be appropriate also for the Porsche 9328 substitution, needed at the intake shaft oil seal. In total, there will be five seals to replace along with a couple of o-rings. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167348804.jpg The torque converter simply slips off the input shaft, carefully, revealing the oil seal. Here it has been popped out with that little VW 681 tool. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167348876.jpg The new shaft seal gets pressed all the way into its recess here. The pipe nipple worked fine, and will gain another sticker – Tiptronic input shaft seal. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167348946.jpg Next will be the drive flange seals, here starting on the port side, or long-shaft side. The oil seal is pressed into that bearing cap, and here the torx T45 tool is going in through the drive flange holes to loosen the fasteners. I hear that some guys don’t like the torx fittings, but so far, I think they are a good design. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167349071.jpg The shaft over on the bench now and, after that snap-ring is removed the bearing and cap can be taken off. Use press if needed. Mine just pulled apart. Notice what looks to be Loctite sealant inside the o-ring depression. The manual calls for nothing on that o-ring. I decided though to again follow their example rather than their advice. I used Three Bond 1211 as was done on the engine #8 bearing. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167349177.jpg This seal needs to be set flush with the surface, so a setup like this is best to get it in square and flush. Notice that the manual called for packing these drive flange seals with grease. The old one had what looked like general lithium grease. This is Mobil 1 synthetic, just because it was handy. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167349264.jpg The starboard or short-shaft side is different, and easier. Just remove that center bolt, using whatever jury-rig you have handy to lock the shaft from turning. The shaft will then pull out and the seal can be renewed as on the port side. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167349667.jpg All that remains now are the seals at either end of the differential drive shaft. Replacing them will require that the nose sections of the transmission come off, so that will wait for tomorrow. |
So today I got around to those oil seals at either end of the drive
shaft, which runs from the nose case back to the differential gearing, inside a plastic dust shield. Take out a single hex bolt at the nose and then the ring of torx bolts and the front case can be persuaded off. Seen below it are a beautiful set of gears. The right most in the photo is the transmission output gear and it will slip off the shaft, along with the bearing, after the sealing o-ring at the tip has been removed. Ditto the idle gear in the middle. With those two gears out, another two torx bolts will be revealed. Remove them and the intermediate case section can also be pulled off. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167433455.jpg On the bench after cleanup the seal can be seen inside a bearing cap. Remove the snap-ring and work out the bearing cap. Expect resistance, it has a 16 year old o-ring in place. That nose section takes the plastic dust tube from an earlier photo. Grab it now with some good channel locks and work the thing out. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167433535.jpg New o-ring in place wet with ATF. New oil seal set in 2 mm below the surface (plus or minus ½ MM). Force it back into the case and replace snap-ring. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167433618.jpg Looking at the drive shaft with the plastic shield removed/cleaned we can now see the rear oil seal, again in a bearing cap, this time fastened by three small torx bolts. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167433696.jpg This cap has two ears thoughtfully included in the casting, and providing a handy way to pull it out. Grab with vice grips and work it out. This one didn’t put up much of a fight. Same depth is specified on the oil seal and, of course, a new o-ring. On both these oil seals, the instructions call for packing grease in the area between the dust lip and the sealing lip. It was there on the old ones too. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167433753.jpg It all goes back together quickly. Torque all fasteners to spec and work deliberately so as not to omit any of the sealing o-rings. Will it do another 16 years without leaks? Dunno. At least there is hope, and there are new seals and o-rings. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167433849.jpg |
JWPATE,
How do you fit the 30R9 fuel hoses onto the metal lines? Do you just push them on? Apparently, these types are also used on the 993 between the fuel rails. As you can see from my attached picture. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167754108.jpg --- anthony |
Anthony,
What I found on the 964, were two slightly different style fittings. one was the fir tree style with no flats where one could clamp the hose. In this case, yes you just push the hose on, but brother, it will take a serious push. You will need one part in a vice (protected by rubber against damage to the pipe) and WD 40 will help. I wouldn't recommend oil as it will remain too long. The other style has only a single barb with a flat section to fit a clamp. Pinch clamps or small, smooth surface worm clamps will do. Mind that the clamp will not be too wide for the flat section. You go back through the photos I posted and see if this makes sense. Both styles are there in different photos. |
Another thing I wanted to do while the engine was out – replace
the CV joint rubber boots. None yet cracked but again, rubber getting old so better to do it now while waiting to get on with the engine. The first step requires removal of the M22 x 1.5 lock nut at the shaft end. You will need heavy equipment for this one (3/4 inch drive stuff) because the nut went on at 340 ft.lb. I found that over 400 were needed to get it off. Then go in with a brass drift and tap the shaft in on its splines. The transmission is out so nothing else to do but carefully work the drive shaft out complete. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167872190.jpg At the vice, after taking off the boot metal straps, one is faced with how to get the boots off the shaft and the new ones on. The manual offers no suggestions, so we are on our own here. The outer CV joint on the later cars is integral, so the plan is to take off the inboard joint and change both boots via this end. Here a couple of pry bars are used together to spread the metal caps. In my vast experience (two shafts) the outer cap always gives up and comes away first. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167872367.jpg Next, a dull, rounded cold chisel is used to persuade the inboard cap off the CV joint. There is a circlip at the shaft end which is easily removed, but do not imagine that the CV joint is then going to simply slip off the shaft. I have seen recommendations on another site to use a three-jaw puller at this point, and I suppose some fellows have succeeded that way. Cannot accept that approach though because it places the full load on the ball cages, and that cannot be good practice. Also, how would the joint then be replaced on the shaft…….with a hammer? No, this will require a hydraulic press, and you haven’t access to one then this job is not for you. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167878679.jpg Set the shaft up such that full support will be taken on the small inside hub, and press the shaft out from above. It took a fair pressure to remove it. Keep parts orientated as they come apart. All is murky in black moly grease, but you want to know how to get it back as it was. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167878800.jpg Now turn the attention to the shaft, and to the job we started with in the first instance. Clean the shaft…….check the condition of the outer CV joint. If all is well there, just replenish the grease which will have been lost with the old boot coming off. But don’t mix any new grease you have, for it may not be compatible. Just use some which was in the cup/boot of the outer joint. Put some tape over the shaft splines, then replace both the rubber boots now, so as not to forget. Also put the inside metal cap for the inner end joint on the shaft. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167878941.jpg Do the final cleaning with soap and water, then blow dry. Moly grease is not compatible with solvents and thinners, and I understand that even their residue can present lubrication issues. So, be safe and clean well with soapy water. Now is the time to carefully examine the parts and decide whether to place them back in for further service. Anything but perfect on the balls is unsatisfactory. Any pitting or galling on the ball grooves would also call for replacement. Notice the two painted dots on the inner hub. Why? Anyone know what those dots mean? Ball size group? The other side of the inner hub has a flat chamfer surface which must contact the shoulder on the drive shaft. The dots then must face the shaft end, but I doubt that is why they are there. Notice also that the inner faces of the end caps have clear evidence of a sealant having been used. No gaskets – but there certainly was a sealant. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167879103.jpg Correctly reassembled, this is what you should see. Note that both the inner and outer ball hubs have different spaces between the ball grooves. You want the small space in the inner hub to line up with a wide space in the outer hub, as seen here. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167879191.jpg Now back to the press bed for the CV joint replacement. Check again that the boots are both on the shaft along with the inner metal cap. Do this with the joint still clean and dry, but lubricate the splines with anti-seize. It will take somewhat less pressure to seat the inner hub back fully to its stop, than was needed to remove it. Back to the vice and replace the circlip, then pack the joint with moly grease. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167879317.jpg Ready to put the end caps back on. Clean the mating surfaces and lightly dress the end caps with a sealant. I used Loctite 574 because it seems a logical choice to me. Line the holes up and use channel locks to press the caps back on, tightly in place. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167879384.jpg |
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