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arbita1 10-16-2016 05:11 PM

Well I realized tonight that I had the camshafts reversed. What an idiot I am. How the hell did I get something simple like that messed up. Probably the reason for all my troubles. Just took them out. Will have to put it back together again when I get the next chance. Ugh. Thought I was close to getting this part done.


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Trackrash 10-16-2016 08:38 PM

That is easy to do. On the up side at least you figured it out now and not when you were trying to start it up.

Lotahp1 10-17-2016 06:40 AM

great thread! Me and my son are restoring a 1978 911SC for his first car. I know, I know! I got a good deal from a buddy after the car suffered a engine fire from a mouse nest. We have engine out and are looking at doing a rebuild/upgrade etc while its out. It only has 95K miles but little maintenance. Anyhow, anyway you can let me know how much and who did your heads? and cylinder's? cams? how did you decide what cam? I heard 964 cam grind works well for 3.0 with CIS but I see you have a DC-15? anyhow any cost info and places youd recommend would be great. My thought was do the pistons and cylinders and heads exactly like what you did, except id like all the exhaust studs replaced with new. change the cams,overhaul the rockers, install the oil tensioner kit, SSI heat exchangers or something like them (anyone have any for a 1978 please pm me) and a muffler to match the new heat exchangers.

Trackrash 10-17-2016 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotahp1 (Post 9322304)
great thread! Me and my son are restoring a 1978 911SC for his first car. I know, I know! I got a good deal from a buddy after the car suffered a engine fire from a mouse nest. We have engine out and are looking at doing a rebuild/upgrade etc while its out. It only has 95K miles but little maintenance. Anyhow, anyway you can let me know how much and who did your heads? and cylinder's? cams? how did you decide what cam? I heard 964 cam grind works well for 3.0 with CIS but I see you have a DC-15? anyhow any cost info and places youd recommend would be great. My thought was do the pistons and cylinders and heads exactly like what you did, except id like all the exhaust studs replaced with new. change the cams,overhaul the rockers, install the oil tensioner kit, SSI heat exchangers or something like them (anyone have any for a 1978 please pm me) and a muffler to match the new heat exchangers.

There are tons of threads here and on the Porsche 911 Technical forum covering all your questions. Sounds like you need to spend some time searching.
Pelican also has a parts catalog and a used parts forum that are a great source.
There are two books you should have. Wayne's How to Rebuild 911 Motors and Bruce Anderson's Porsche 911 Performance Handbook.
Welcome to the board and post a picture of your car in the Technical forum.

arbita1 10-17-2016 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotahp1 (Post 9322304)
great thread! Me and my son are restoring a 1978 911SC for his first car. I know, I know! I got a good deal from a buddy after the car suffered a engine fire from a mouse nest. We have engine out and are looking at doing a rebuild/upgrade etc while its out. It only has 95K miles but little maintenance. Anyhow, anyway you can let me know how much and who did your heads? and cylinder's? cams? how did you decide what cam? I heard 964 cam grind works well for 3.0 with CIS but I see you have a DC-15? anyhow any cost info and places youd recommend would be great. My thought was do the pistons and cylinders and heads exactly like what you did, except id like all the exhaust studs replaced with new. change the cams,overhaul the rockers, install the oil tensioner kit, SSI heat exchangers or something like them (anyone have any for a 1978 please pm me) and a muffler to match the new heat exchangers.

A lot of questions. Welcome. I'll try to hit the specific ones.

Heads were done by a local machine shop. Not sure of your location. So that may not help.

Cylinders were done by EBS.

Camshafts were done by John from DR on this board.

Rockers were done by Craig on this board.

Reach out to each one for pricing. They'll be happy to give you quotes on your specific requests.

arbita1 10-17-2016 06:00 PM

Getting it back together again with the cams on the proper sides this time. Timing made more sense this time. Left side timed up. Next to do the right side and then finally check the piston and valve clearance. Then I can pull it apart to put it back together again for real[emoji53]


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arbita1 10-20-2016 05:54 PM

Cams are finally timed correctly! I was going 180 deg out of sequence on the right side and couldn't figure out why. Lesson learned. You can't rotate the crankshaft clockwise to the TDC point on the right side when you pull the pin. You have to go counter clockwise. At least that is what worked for me. Now I can finally check valve to piston clearance.


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Trackrash 10-20-2016 06:11 PM

Yea, with the newer style cams there is no way I know of to hold the cam when changing the setting. Not sure what Porsche was thinking. I guess they could save $2 on each motor.:rolleyes:

viejopatron 10-22-2016 04:09 PM

During my 3.0 build, I took the engine to a pro wrench after I did the cams. I figured I had so much time and money in the job it was just better to have an experienced person check timing and clearances.

arbita1 10-23-2016 04:44 AM

Finally got my valve to piston clearance check done. Everything checks out. I started by finding the spot where the piston is closest to the top. Then I checked around those spots. Then after I was comfortable I did a full rotation with the intake out at 1.5mm and then the exhaust at 2mm.

Now I can rip this thing back down to the cylinders and start building it for real.

arbita1 10-29-2016 11:11 AM

Making some actual progress. Heads and cam towers are installed torqued and sealed with 1184.
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mikedsilva 10-29-2016 01:44 PM

Have you inserted the cams and made sure they can be rotated freely?

arbita1 10-29-2016 01:46 PM

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Have you inserted the cams and made sure they can be rotated freely?



Yes. They do.


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mikedsilva 10-29-2016 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by arbita1 (Post 9338734)
Yes. They do.


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result!

tell me, what method are you using for your rocker shaft install.. Will you be lubing them first, or installing them totally dry and oiling through the oil holes?

arbita1 10-29-2016 02:31 PM

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result!



tell me, what method are you using for your rocker shaft install.. Will you be lubing them first, or installing them totally dry and oiling through the oil holes?



Probably lubing first since I'm using rsr seals.


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arbita1 11-06-2016 03:04 AM

I'm back at the point of timing again. I have a question. I've already done the valve to piston clearance check during a pre assembly. Do I have to do it again during the real assembly. Or am I good from the first check.


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viejopatron 11-07-2016 02:50 PM

Think final assembly. I had the check made after the sprockets/drive chains/tensioners were installed and everything torqued.

Trackrash 11-07-2016 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by arbita1 (Post 9347843)
I'm back at the point of timing again. I have a question. I've already done the valve to piston clearance check during a pre assembly. Do I have to do it again during the real assembly. Or am I good from the first check.


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It's a good idea to check it again.

arbita1 11-07-2016 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by trackrash (Post 9350085)
it's a good idea to check it again.

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arbita1 11-12-2016 12:02 PM

Before I move on to install the chain tensioners. Can someone verify I have properly timed the cams.

Left side

https://vimeo.com/191300529

Right side

https://vimeo.com/191300713


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