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the 1098 will cost $15k.
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WSB is pretty certain they don't want a 200+ HP L-4 in the field... 
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That's pretty smart of them and I'm wondering if privateers won't get the same idea. The Desmosedici surely would have a chance with minor modifications.
Just read an article in a Dutch magazine about the 1098 and 1098S and it sure looks pretty impressive. 171 bhp for the Termignonied S is just incredible for a V-twin. Brakes also are amazing but not for panic stops in the real worls I guess. Also the dashboard showed an indicator for a traction control system witch is still in development by Ducati and scheduled for next.
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The current 999R engines in WSBK are in near F1 tune(the tuning restrictions are easier on the Ducatis than the inline fours, an example, if I remember correctly, is that the Ducatis can modify their crankshafts). Note that this state of tune is extremely expensive to maintain and build.
The 1200cc capacity hike brings the tuning regulations back to the level of the inline fours, accounting for(theoretically) similar performance to the previous 'tuned' 999, at a much cheaper cost(which is the key factor, apparently in this decision for a capacity hike). |
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Like I predicted the sport,sport,sport already blows up into BMW's face in it's first model year.Regardless if someone can use the more powerful engine and lighter weight for his advantage,the "specriders" without a doubt will be drawn to the faster on paper Ducati.Time to get real and make the R1200S into what it should have been.The true R1100S successor and still best sport tourer on the market!
But to be honest the 1098 probably will be easier to ride fast than the over the top R1 or GSXRthou that has three maps to decrease the power to R1200S level on the lowest map but I think the 1098 looks japanese generic boring.Like R1 copy where the 2007 R1 actually looks better on paper since I havn't seen neither in flesh... The 916 was gorgeous,the 999 origional and different but ugly in a kind of R1200ST way but the 1098 is a R1 with the high mainenance very 6K miles/$750 maintenance twin.That,the ABS and the driveshaft will make the S "superior to the 1098...;-) Wonder if BMW goes to the 15,5 liter tank to advertise sport,sport,sport,sport for the next version of the S... And heck I don't need 140 rwhp like the 1098 110 like on the S are more than enough for road and occasional fun on the track so keep the boxer free of water,radiator and hoses...But as a rich man's track toy the 1098 for sure has some appeal even if the italian stylists start to copy the japs because they can't come up with something as beautiful and iconic as the 916,twice... Chris |
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Chris, the 6K miles has been changed on the Ducs:
"50% less maintenance cost on every 2007 Ducati We are proud to announce that all 2007 Ducati models require less frequent service, fewer parts and less labour during each service and, as a result, greatly reduced scheduled maintenance costs – by as much as 50% Reducing the cost of service when you visit your Ducati dealer for maintenance is one way to measure the new quality of Ducati. It also contributes immensely to making the Ducati ownership experience as satisfying as the Ducati riding experience. 50% less – 100% Ducati – standard equipment in every 2007 model." So that means 12K...not bad for a 160hp V-twin engine. Also people say the 1098 looks very good in the flesh which I certainly believe and with the lower price this thing will sell like hot cakes... Hugo |
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The R1200S is a piece of ****e that BMW should have never built.
Antone who buys them are poser wankers that ride to Starbucks to drink a skim decaf mocha latte. Real BMW riding men want a real long distance motorcyle to ride a zillion miles a week and the ability to take the equivalent of motorhome capacity. Shame on BMW. I just must be too thick to understand Chris after 350 expressions that the R1200S is the biggest piece of ****e BMW ever built. If I was involved with this motorcycle, I would hang myself or the German equivalent of hari kari. Negative, negative, negative. I am just happy to be able to breath and I am healthy.
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A Sales Winner
No poor mouthing from me, I agree the new Duc will set sales records at the price...not a back-handed compliment...but it does look like you expect a superbike to look like; in my opinion much closer to current Japanese supebikes than before ...the look and the performance is very much in demand now...like some others things that have passed my way: Would I like to ride one? Sure! Would I like to live with one? No....
Perhaps 80% of current hyperspace riders would die for this bike; just not my cup of tea...and I doubt that I would survive a long term relationship.."A man has got to know his limits"!
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Were some of you expecting something fresh, up-to-date, or even accurate from Chris? Or without chip-on-the-shoulder pseudo-informed political babbling thrown in?
Please! You're just going to frustrate yourselves  And the 15k Ducati is a rich man's toy, but not a 9-10, BMW single with 50hp, or a 15-20k BMW? babble babble babble
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Easy Big Fella!
Damn Lennie...did you skip your meds again?
Like the "skid in sideways..etc" 
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CK...don't forget the capsule first....
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Phil,
I tripped over Chriss' same old comments and could not get up. I have to express myself before I can move on. When problem solving, we must aportion blame before we can solve the problem. I have actually lost my prescription and am a little hazy at the moment. I actually respect everyone having an opinion as long as they don't stuff it down my throat. Don't know whether I should just pity the poor man. "Skidding in side ways". If you are going to do something, do it right the first time as you may never get the opportunity a second time. Go hard or go home.
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Lennie,no p.o.s. at all.I just said next season the sport-boxer will get a bloody nose in the league of 1098,R1 and such where it could have been the absolute champ in the sport-touring class for many seasons to come.The (blue) eye of the tiger...;-)
Hugo please post your beautiful R1200R-S in the BMW-Bike-Forum.info side R1150R (R1200R) Forum...to see the reaction! Did not know they extended the 6k/750$ servive to 12K.It's probaby better that way since then you can change also belts and by the worn desmo cam followers and dry clutch + basket to make it a 12K/$2000 service... A rih man's toy for sure or not if you ride it on two track days a year = 300 miles so you have to service it every 40 years.That make it downright cheap,or like Einstein said,everything is relative...;-) Weight and torque for sure are impressive and the price of admission is not bad either but service and upkeep will be co$$$tly as on all Ducs that actually get ridden and not only owned/parked/looked at... As for looks slightly disappointing and generic.The front could be off a Honda 600RR or Yamaha R1,the side is still 999 and the rear 916 pipes with MV F4 tailend. Terblanche did not design but photochopped and Hugo would have done a better job. But the Ducati snobs and Starbucks juppies probably will go gaga over it and drool about the design soo much better than the "ugly" but at least origional 999... If I just wanted a fast trackbike I would by a GSXR 750 and be done with it... A superb sportbike for the road would have been the R1200S if BMW would have not decided to make it more "sporty" by offering no sport touring gooddies for it.Stupid,stupid,stupid,instead of sport,sport,sport...;-) The 1098 as a lso the MV are sport,sport,sport for the well healed posers as guys who can and actually ride on the track will go with the Suzook tht is cheaper and not as painful to throw down on the track... Next year BMW will remember their marketing genius and maybe they can fry their chickenstrips in their habachis...;-) (No chickenstrips here and you don't need a habachi to cook some japanese) Anyways just remember you read it here first...;-) Chris PS:After the diabolical 999 on the Ducs fairing what is it with the lettering at Ducati lately?109-8 sounds very german to me.Any Messerschmitt engineers helping to make the Ducs a little bit more reliable? The R1200S at least lasted 8 hours but the Ducs not even 200 miles in Daytona... PS2:If they would junk that stupid desmo valvetrain,use chains for the cams and a belt drive for the rearwheel instead the cam,put the ST3 bags and centerstand on it I would buy the new Duc ME 109-8...;-) |
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> for the well healed posers
You want sick guys riding around? > Anyways just remember you read it here first. and likely 2nd, and 3rd, and 4th, and 5th, and 6th, and 7th ...
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Chris,
Is it wrong that some people, intelligent or otherwise spend their money wisely and then one day can afford these bikes or anything else, should be labelled as yuppies or anything else. May be some people or smart enough to not piss their life away, work hard, invest wisely and then make something of themselves, that all you can do is knock them. Man, if I had your attitude, I would take advantage of the USA gun laws and top myself. You are truly a negative and bitter person. I am glad I rarely come here anymore as you could lead someone to depression. Get over it, get on with life and be thankful the good lord gave you what good things you have and enjoy life. 
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So I'll wait a year and not buy the first model year, like I did with the 2003 999. But online dating excites the senses, but in the flesh, at the Toronto show, the 1098 didn't even give me a woody. But I hear it goes like the "clappers". It is ok to read the menu so long as you don't order, right? Still love the look of the BCR and all it can or can't do. I appreciate the bold step Ducati are taking with the 1098 but I know I should not buy it this year and I won't. In fact, the R1200S didn't sell well in Canada, and I am seeing some killer deals from dealers in Montreal in particular. I might just have to buy a R1200S instead, or... just "Love the one you're with"...
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Good grief..the wisdom...the vibes! Tim, CS&N.."the one ya love"...and I gotta chime in on a different venue...the yuppie crap...I will echo Lennie...those of us that work our asses off...saved our coins...and want to live life to the hilt so as not to waste that which can not be bought..time...purchase, say perhaps a Duc, or Gawd forbid, a R12S...to generate that semi-permanent big ass grin...are not just entitled to do so but are obligated to do so by all that is holy..stuff those that have the jealousy and envy...or as a mate recently said: up your nose! OK...Phil step off the box...hell, I don't have a clue about a lot of things, but I know beyond a doubt that the R12S will be my portal machine...it is not, repeat not, a competitor for any other brand or type of bike out there..it is a stand alone, one of a kind "bad motor scooter"...for the young in spirit if not in years [me]...so as it has been said, come out here and join me this Summer for some road carving and "whiskey for my friends and beer for the horses"...doom and gloomers need not apply...oh yes, I drink "cowboy coffee", ...you can walk on it!...no decaf nothin'out here...
Ps..."Be safe out there" HSB
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