Valentino Rossi at Yamaha Head Quarters - Page 7

signit98 · 08-12-2012, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 1%er

It's a perception thing. Do you want to be perceived as the top dog or one that should have retired three years ago.

And therein lies the problem.... that's why I have been saying that he missed the exit point.

The odds are against him, in many (if not all) aspects. His age, the bunch of youngens that are up and coming, the fact that he has to pay his way through Yamahas MotoGP effort - de facto financing his opponent. There is a lot of uncertainty and frustration.

The biggest factor, however, in my opinion, is the fact that he has lost his aura. The other riders have seen that he is - in fact - not invincible, that he is beatable and that he does make mistakes on the track. THEY HAVE LOST THE RESPECT they had for Rossi. And that is, by far, the biggest odd against him.

While just three years ago, most any rider would have thought twice about tangling with #46, now it's just another rider to be passed.

Give him a good bike and he'll still mix it up... but he will not win a championship anymore. Many thing have to fall in place for that to happen... too many!

signit98 · 08-12-2012, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 1%er

I'd like to see Suzuki and Kawasaki get back into the mix as Kawa has in SBK. That would do more for GP than this lame CRT rouse. But, the costs associated with GP are killing the class from within. Four more factory bikes would generate better opportunities for those driver waiting to show their skills. Bradl would certainly get a factory ride if Suzuki and Kawasaki got back in, Signit98.

There are many reasons why the big manufacturers are hesitant... the economy being the leading factor, but also DORNAs idea of a spec ECU, the failing CRT experiment and other (equally flawed) ideas. Suzuki is rumored to start another (albeit haphazard) attempt at MotoGP, but who knows.

The whole show will only be a good one, if you let the manufacturers duke it out on their own terms... it is, after all, the PROTOTYPE class of racing. So, let the manufacturers play, develop and experiment. While the spec racing works well for Moto2, that is NOT why I watch MotoGP... and not what I want to see. I can not imagine that I am the only one who has that view point.

1%er · 06:09 AM

There is certainly much truth in what you say in light of the perception additive, Signit98. But, if will have to lay it all out on the line as the hungry Simoncelli was doing prior to his demise. If not, he will tarnish his legacy all by himself.

I liked it better before they went sole source on tires. I think we in the daily riding world benefited from the competition.

JonyRR · 08-12-2012, 09:20 AM

casy stoner is the smartest guy in the paddock
proved everything to prove
wealthy enough to not have to ansher to the man again
beautiful wife and kid to enjoy in the prime of everyones life
going out a champion measured against the best there ever has been
home no dobt well prepared when SHTF, coming soon to a reality near all of us
very smart moves, mate, and good on yuh

EZ-RIDER · 08-12-2012, 09:39 AM

Stoner may not go out as the Champion !
He is currently in third place in the points

RIQUE · RIQUE's Garage

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Originally Posted by Chris Canning

You really don't have a grasp on this,Edwards is a very rich man,he doesn't have a manager and never has from choice,it has nothing to do with being able to afford one or the bike he is riding this year,he has always done his own negotiating period.

As for he HQ thing,if you check this thread you'll see I put up a post up way before that about the deal being done,I don't have a crystal ball,just a very good source,and Spies knew that as well hence why he jumped before he got pushed.

There is nothing to grasp that is not obvious. Of course Colin is loaded with money. Not having a manager is an exception to the rule. The Rossi to Yamaha news is quite old and seemed to be just rumors months ago. My point once again is that managers deny as rumors what is in fact true. Exactly what happen here.

1%er · 08-12-2012, 11:32 AM

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Stoner may not go out as the Champion !

He is currently in third place in the points

Stoner is the 2012 champ EZ. He is retiring as champion of the season.

throttlemeister · throttlemeister's Garage

This whole thing about missing his exit point, or him having anything to lose or what is just BS. It's like Michael Schumacher. He may never win anything ever again, but he can do whatever he wants and whatever he enjoys. He can be a complete schmuck but whenever he stops, less than a year later everybody has forgotten and all that remains are the stats that say he won 9 WDC's in all classes and he is ranked right up there with Hailwood and Aogstini. Whatever he does now, the stats don't lie and they aren't going anywhere.

Chris Canning · 08-12-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by throttlemeister

This whole thing about missing his exit point, or him having anything to lose or what is just BS. It's like Michael Schumacher. He may never win anything ever again, but he can do whatever he wants and whatever he enjoys. He can be a complete schmuck but whenever he stops, less than a year later everybody has forgotten and all that remains are the stats that say he won 9 WDC's in all classes and he is ranked right up there with Hailwood and Aogstini. Whatever he does now, the stats don't lie and they aren't going anywhere.

That statement shows a complete lack of understanding of how much control,financial and otherwise that Rossi has within MotoGP,at this point in time his move has caused absolute mayhem.

Mentioning a car racer is frankly rediculous,I can't even think of any other sportsman that has such a grip on a sport as Rossi.

As for stats they lie all right,I'm old enough to have watched Ago,his record is built up on beating absolute nobodies for years,do your home work,on par with trying to beat Lorenzo with a road bike for the next 10 years,hence why there was such a song and dance when Cooper beat him at the Race of the Year at Mallory Park,Rossi is way past either of e'm by some margin.

And yea I saw Cooper beat Ago at Mallory and went to the TT to see Hailwoods return.

throttlemeister · throttlemeister's Garage

Oh I understand perfectly what $100 million in sponsorship money brings in control and buying possibilities, Chris. I just fail to see the mayhem. Just because Cal didn't get the ride doesn't mean the world is ending. Cal simply isn't good enough to mingle with the aliens and his mouth makes him a marketing risk. On the other hand, I don't know if you looked at the stands lately? They are still red/yellow colored in support of one V. Rossi. The public clearly wants to see Rossi, and they want him to be competitive. Rossi is a marketeers wet dream.

As far as stats, you just proved my point.

People forget quickly and all that remains is 9 WDC and lots and lots of victories. As such, he has nothing to lose except for a dent in his huge ego.

Let's stop pretending MotoGP is about racing. This is about making money, plain and simple. If you want to see real racing for the sake of racing, go to Man or Ulster or one of the smaller local classes that haven't been poisoned by big corporations, marketing and TV rights. You know when a class is in the toilet when those involved talk about improving the show as opposed to competition.

1%er · 08-13-2012, 05:53 AM

Throttlemeister, I agree. MotoGP, NASCAR and all the rest stopped being about racing when they started put all the "clauses" into the rule book and telling you how much and what kind of this and that you could use. The bottom line in any contract is always expressed in dollars/euros.

Noblehops · 07-12-2013, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Noblehops

OK, one of our men is champion or there is no bet, that's fine too. No need for douchebaggery Ralf. I don't see you making the effort to be clear. Now we are.

N.

Hello lads, how are y'all doing. What'd I miss?

Necromancing this thread for a moment, with the GP nearby and the plot thickening, I wanted to remind myself of what exactly I wagered. Genuinely sorry that Lorenzo is hurt, he is awesome, but it would not dilute my happiness one bit in taking $100 from you Ralf, if Vale should rise to the occasion ;-)

N.

P.S. I sold my 1100 - never bonded with it.

signit98 · 07-12-2013, 08:08 PM

I am not worried one bit... but, if he does, I'll pay up, no questions ask.

I just don't believe in miracles, Nils.

And, while I am by no means a Lorenzo fan, I have to admit that he is definitely a great rider... and the whole thing with the crash - surgery -riding in the MotoGP... well, that kinda increased my admiration for him a little.

Chris Canning · 07-13-2013, 12:06 AM

We are bound for interesting times Yamaha thought they had covered all the angles having the best rider and re employed the worlds best tee shirt seller,things haven't gone to plan!!!

signit98 · 07-13-2013, 12:13 PM

LOL, no they haven't... especially since they didn't count on Marquez being such a quick study.

Noblehops · 07-14-2013, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by signit98

LOL, no they haven't... especially since they didn't count on Marquez being such a quick study.

Marquez is really the business. Amazing.

nail24fac · 07-14-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Canning

We are bound for interesting times Yamaha thought they had covered all the angles having the best rider and re employed the worlds best tee shirt seller,things haven't gone to plan!!!

And what about that Tech3 scooter without the wonder suspension, Chris. Cal seems to have all but the start of the race going quite well.

nail24fac · 07-14-2013, 05:47 PM

I like Cal's "you see me,Vallie." Pass during the race. Very nice.

Bob Hancock · 07-16-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt

patches smatches why can't these guys shave since they can't grow real beards?

Noblehops · 11-13-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by signit98

I am not worried one bit... but, if he does, I'll pay up, no questions ask.

I just don't believe in miracles, Nils.

And, while I am by no means a Lorenzo fan, I have to admit that he is definitely a great rider... and the whole thing with the crash - surgery -riding in the MotoGP... well, that kinda increased my admiration for him a little.

You were absolutely correct Ralf - and if it weren't for the broken collarbone and Marquez' incredible rookie season, you'd have my dough. Lorenzo was a fsking warrior and I have total respect for him. I no longer think Rossi has it in him to win a championship. He'll be top 5 forever, but I don't see him atop the box again at season's end. It will be interesting next season though, with his split form McWilliams.

Delighted to not be sending you $100 though

Carry on.