Valentino Rossi at Yamaha Head Quarters

[bradzdotcom]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

patches smatches why can't these guys shave since they can't grow real beards?

or if nothing else, in jorge's case, get that nose fixed.

[RIQUE]

Originally Posted by bradzdotcom

you might want to back up a few steps first.
he wasn't at yamaha.

from motomatters.com website:

Rectification: Rossi At Yamaha Story A Hoax From A Hacked Twitter Account
Sat, 2012-08-04 08:42

The story we published yesterday about Valentino Rossi having been spotted at Yamaha's European headquarters by former racer Niall Mackenzie turns out to have been incorrect. We, along with the French publication Moto Journal and the German-language magazine Speedweek were victims of a hoax. A Frenchman, speaking perfect English, had compromised the Twitter account of Niall Mackenzie and linked his own email address to it, so that the attempts we made to verify the news led to a single, incorrect source. The person having compromised the account later confessed to one of the journalists involved in researching the story that it had been a hoax, and apologized for the inconvenience he had caused.

Signs that the story was factually incorrect had come out earlier. Valentino Rossi's manager Davide Brivio posted a denial on his Twitter page late last night, saying "for sure he didn't visit Yamaha HQ - he is on holiday!"

SOOOOO! In the end the negotiation was true as was the visit to Yamaha HQ which would make VRs' manager a total dick for denying what was long ago vox populi....

[signit98]

Originally Posted by RIQUE

which would make VRs' manager a total dick for denying what was long ago vox populi....

No it would not... they can't lay everything on the table, just because you are curious.

It's negotiations... neither side has a particular interest in talking about unhatched eggs, in case something goes wrong.

As you can see, there is clearly enough excitement after the fact.

Poor Nicky, let's hope he'll get a team mate who will take a bit of the limelight away from him.

[flatbutt]

or maybe Nicky will get some better goodies?

[Chris Canning]

The deal was done by the end of Laguna,and to give you some idea of how much muscle Rossi wealds,he negotiated with Yamaha Japan,not the GP team or Yamaha Europe.

[bradzdotcom]

the story is still false, and fairly silly. always was.

doesn't matter at all who he or anyone else signs with, you don't see a guy like that walking into a building to work a deal.
it's all done off site, through managers, handlers, agents, and everybody else with their hand in the till.

if someone like rossi walked into the YMC building, don't you think that half the employees would be tweeting their brains out, shooting cell fone fotos, etc...?

it's not done that way.
he doesn't go in the building, sit in the lobby and wait for lin jarvis to come out and escort him back.

most riders don't do their own deals.
they're part of the process, but they're not putting on a nice suit to slide little pieces of paper back and forth across a conference table.

[EZ-RIDER]

Originally Posted by bradzdotcom

the story is still false, and fairly silly. always was.

doesn't matter at all who he or anyone else signs with, you don't see a guy like that walking into a building to work a deal.
it's all done off site, through managers, handlers, agents, and everybody else with their hand in the till.

if someone like rossi walked into the YMC building, don't you think that half the employees would be tweeting their brains out, shooting cell fone fotos, etc...?

it's not done that way.
he doesn't go in the building, sit in the lobby and wait for lin jarvis to come out and escort him back.

most riders don't do their own deals.
they're part of the process, but they're not putting on a nice suit to slide little pieces of paper back and forth across a conference table.

True

I think it was done awhile back, because if I recall Dorna came out with a statement and said Rossi would be on a completive bike next year !

[R69S]

So...the most successful motorcycle racer of all time does not have a chance of winning another championship because he spent a few years on bike that he couldn't compete with? Really..?

Well as long as we are making ridiculous statements, I'll have a go... I'll admit up front I'm a huge Rossi fan and, I think Stoner is a bit of a punk, so brace yourselves.

Stoners best talent lies in his luck for jumping on good bikes at opportune times. 2007, the Ducati undeniably ran away from a pack struggling with new 800cc rules. They got a great package right from the jump and capitalized...cheers to them. 2011, Honda's multi-stage transmission dominates the podium. All factory riders were raving about the transmission and how seamlessly it put power down between shifts. With that said, Stoner is without a doubt a talented rider, but he could learn a thing or two from a guy like Hayden.

Lorenzo; been watching him race through 250's and it was obvious then, he is an exceptional racer. He may have the stuff to surpass even the Dr. But only time will tell.

Dani...well, he does not need broken legs to loose to VR on the M1. He was doing that just fine when he was healthy.

For many, there is more to Rossi's appeal than just win's. Yes, he is on paper arguably the greatest road racer of all time. But he has charisma and seems to enjoy being in the atmosphere...being a racer! For those of us who plastered our walls with race bikes and dreamed of champainge, umbrella girls and sweet victory, he IS the guy living the life. I was at Laguna Seca 2 weeks ago and no body spent more time signing autographs and taking pictures than Rossi. I heard one of the old security gaurds talking to the new guy saying "the fans get crazy around this guy, he's not like the others...and the worst part is he wont stop signing autographs..." I had to laugh. If you don't like him, that's cool, but don't forget who he is, and what he is capable of.

[signit98]

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt, seeing how you are a big VR fan... and he is undeniably one of the all time greats...

But to say that Stoner has had luck when he hopped on the Ducati? A bike that pretty much everyone else (including your precious Dr.) deemed unrideable? THAT is funny!

Stoner himself has said it best, I guess:

"When I win it's the bike.... when I don't win, its me.."

I think in terms of talent and riding abilities, Stoner is special, probably more so that VR or anyone else. His motivation may not be there anymore, but - seeing how you have been at LS 2 weeks ago - what he does with a motorcycle is just magic.

Your hero, as you may recall, threw his bike away after he was handed through... remember where Nicky finished?

Rossi RULED his era, there is no other way to say it... sure, there was the odd challenger and winner, but Rossi was the ruler... but that era is a thing of the past. I am not saying he will not win races anymore, but I do not think he will manage to string together enough to win a championship again.

...there will be MANY, very talented riders who are hungry, have competitive rides and will be breathing down his neck... one of them is his team mate. VR has shown this season (and last) that he does not seem to handle adversity as well as he used to, who knows what that will do to him.

Rossi loves the limelight and MotoGP offers plenty of that for him... let's see how long until it wears off. Many other greats have missed the correct exit point. Sadly.

[Noblehops]

Rossi is the best ever. I say he wins next year on the Yamaha, especially with Stoner gone. Lorenzo is awesome but Rossi will get inside his head.

N.

[signit98]

We should create a PayPal pool...

[RIQUE]

Originally Posted by EZ-RIDER

True

I think it was done awhile back, because if I recall Dona came out with a statement and said Rossi would be on a completive bike next year !

Totally agree with your POV, this was done loooong ago and Valle was at Yamaha to have the bike measured on him and select livery for next season. As someone else mentioned on the thread riders don't deal direct. Their managers are the ones that handle all the dirty business and also the ones that make up the stories and later call them rumors.

[Chris Canning]

Originally Posted by RIQUE

Totally agree with your POV, this was done loooong ago and Valle was at Yamaha to have the bike measured on him and select livery for next season. As someone else mentioned on the thread riders don't deal direct. Their managers are the ones that handle all the dirty business and also the ones that make up the stories and later call them rumors.

No it wasn't done a long time ago,and Colin Edwards doesn't even have a manager he does it himself.

[Chris Canning]

Originally Posted by signit98

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt, seeing how you are a big VR fan... and he is undeniably one of the all time greats...

But to say that Stoner has had luck when he hopped on the Ducati? A bike that pretty much everyone else (including your precious Dr.) deemed unrideable? THAT is funny!

Stoner himself has said it best, I guess:

"When I win it's the bike.... when I don't win, its me.."

I think in terms of talent and riding abilities, Stoner is special, probably more so that VR or anyone else. His motivation may not be there anymore, but - seeing how you have been at LS 2 weeks ago - what he does with a motorcycle is just magic.

Your hero, as you may recall, threw his bike away after he was handed through... remember where Nicky finished?

Rossi RULED his era, there is no other way to say it... sure, there was the odd challenger and winner, but Rossi was the ruler... but that era is a thing of the past. I am not saying he will not win races anymore, but I do not think he will manage to string together enough to win a championship again.

...there will be MANY, very talented riders who are hungry, have competitive rides and will be breathing down his neck... one of them is his team mate. VR has shown this season (and last) that he does not seem to handle adversity as well as he used to, who knows what that will do to him.

Rossi loves the limelight and MotoGP offers plenty of that for him... let's see how long until it wears off. Many other greats have missed the correct exit point. Sadly.

Yep I'll go with that,Rossi going to Yamaha will do Moto GP no good what so ever I'd have rather seen him stay at Ducati and Cal go there with him,as it is Rossi is getting bigger than Moto GP and no good will come of it long term.

[R69S]

Originally Posted by signit98

But to say that Stoner has had luck when he hopped on the Ducati? A bike that pretty much everyone else (including your precious Dr.) deemed unrideable? THAT is funny!

I don't recall anyone stating the 2007 Ducati 800 GP bike was "unrideable". Rossi made the famous "unrideable" statement about 4 months ago..."2012" after Qutar. The 2007 Ducati has undergone major tire, motor, frame, (and who knows what else) alterations since then. If you review the videos you can clearly see that particular bike running away from the competition. So much so that the commentators would recognize it and repeatedly state it on the air. No manufacturer gets it right every year.

Casey has a unique plight, I feel happy for his success as a family man (I have a 2 year old), and his riding talent is (at times) spectacular. He gives the fans a good amount of his time and absolutely puts on a great performance. But...he has a huge chip on his shoulder and thumbs his nose at the very sport that has made him a mega star. He is quitting, taking his ball home, and talking trash all the while. And the funny thing is, it's no surprise. As far as the "it's the bike winning and me loosing" comment...it makes me feel for him but at the same time if it wasn't at least a little true, everyone (including himself) would not be repeating it.

As far as Rossi's reign being over, I don't think that's even predictable. He went from world champion to 7th in 2 years when signing with Ducati and it's looking about the same this year. For the record, he has never finished a season outside of 3rd in his GP career prior to Ducati. That doesn't just happen without a reason. You can't really compare anyone to a rider like Rossi but if I were to try I would like to recall the time when Mike "the bike" Hailwood came back to racing after 11 years of retirement and won the Isle of Man TT, crushing the nay sayers. And next season I will be happy to take your money against my precious Valentino, not sure who you would bet on though, your boy quit the dream.

[R69S]

Originally Posted by Chris Canning

Yep I'll go with that,Rossi going to Yamaha will do Moto GP no good what so ever I'd have rather seen him stay at Ducati and Cal go there with him,as it is Rossi is getting bigger than Moto GP and no good will come of it long term.

So...you feel he is bad for the sport?

[signit98]

Originally Posted by R69S

And next season I will be happy to take your money against my precious Valentino, not sure who you would bet on though, your boy quit the dream.

Well, I do have a bit of an idea as to who I'll put my money on... but we could also make it a straight up "Rossi or not", seeing how you are so confident that he'll take it...

[R69S]

Oops...allow me to backpedal a bit. I mean 2014.

I don't think he's going to take the championship in 2013, and it may take a couple years for that matter. I do think he will be champion again though.

[Chris Canning]

Originally Posted by R69S

So...you feel he is bad for the sport?

Post tense,yes I do,the moment you have a sportsmen getting bigger than the sport you have a problem and thats what is going on now,Dorna are determined to keep him as long as possible becuase of the following he has,BUT nothing lasts forever not even Valentino Rossi.

He has been a great talent,I can go back as far as Hailwood,so I'd say the greatest talent I have ever seen,but that was then and this is now,Yamaha are using him,they haven't drafted him in because he's a great talent,they have already bought the 2013 championship with Lorenzo.

Rossi brings loads of money,thats his talent in 2013 and onwards,he obviously craves a swan song,if Stoner was riding in 2013 you could stake you house that he(Rossi) would get his nose pushed out,with Pedrosa on a new bike and Lorenzo,he should get on the podium,but time waits for no man.

Signit hit the nail on the head,'Many other greats have missed the correct exit point'

[1%er]

In 07 Stoner was getting custom baked tires! The tires were the big factor for the Duc handling so well. It was when MotoGP went to the single source that the Duc problems started. Tires tot bike vs bike to tires.
Rossi has a better than 50% chance of winning on a Yami and yes, we have all witnessed him dogging good riders into making big mistakes. It's what he does best.