ISIS Not Impressed With Millenial Couple

[Gretch]

"You can only see it with respect to your background. Theirs was different. It may not have looked foolish to them. You need to widen your perspective."

This has to be the most ignorant and asinine thing I have read on the internet all year........



go play in the street, Einstein.....

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Of course you are. What if they had been missionaries, doing God's work and the hell with the consequences? Christian missionaries have risked their lives in more dangerous places than this. Staying alive may be your only goal, but others have other goals. Missionaries, members of the military, and aid workers often risk their lives in such places. No one (OK, not many people) call them stupid because their goals are widely understood. The fact that you don't understand their goals doesn't make them stupid, it makes you ignorant.

Such an astonishing level of stupidity displayed in just two posts. You never fail to deliver, Patrick.

Others have already attempted to address this mindless drivel, and have done a fairly good job. I'll just second everything they have said and leave it at that.

Maybe you should get out and get some fresh air. Clear your head. Go on a bike ride or something.

[scottmandue]

What could possibly go wrong?



I'm probably one of the most liberal guys here but these bicyclists really had their head in the clouds. All it takes is a quick look at the headlines, rape, murder, mass shootings, random bombing, kidnapping and torture (and all of that in civilized first world countries). Evil is a very real thing in this world and to pretend all people are good is foolishness.

Mathew 10:16
""I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves."

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

If you don't believe in universal moral standards then there is truth to this.

And this deluded couple believed the basic premise of post modern humanism: there is no immovable standard. There is no right or wrong. This is the error that society doesn't want to face. If there is no one to answer to Who has a measurement of right and wrong then anything goes. Situational ethics. Under that premise, ISIS did nothing wrong.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Such an astonishing level of stupidity displayed in just two posts. You never fail to deliver, Patrick.

Others have already attempted to address this mindless drivel, and have done a fairly good job. I'll just second everything they have said and leave it at that.

Maybe you should get out and get some fresh air. Clear your head. Go on a bike ride or something.

Laying down and crying "ditto!" is hardly a reasoned response. Don't worry about the amount of fresh air I get. I'm doing fine. It's those of you trapped in the "me too" "conventional wisdom" sewer that I am concerned about.

[Don Ro]

If one maintains that these kids were just doing their thing...following what they thought was appropriate, in their mind...
then one can maintain that the ISIS killers were doing their thing...following what they thought was appropriate, in their mind.
So it's a push. (?)

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Laying down and crying "ditto!" is hardly a reasoned response. Don't worry about the amount of fresh air I get. I'm doing fine. It's those of you trapped in the "me too" "conventional wisdom" sewer that I am concerned about.

Please don't accuse me of trying to reason with you.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Don Ro

If one maintains that these kids were just doing their thing...following what they thought was appropriate, in their mind...
then one can maintain that the ISIS killers were doing their thing...following what they thought was appropriate, in their mind.
So it's a push. (?)

No, killing random people is not appropriate. That is what is so perplexing to me about the responses here. The victims were not threatening anyone in any way, and the criticism is all on them for being naive. Where is the criticism of the killers? It is secondary here. I am appalled that the response is not, "Those bastard ISIS murders killing innocent tourists" instead of what we get - "those stupid people go to sketchy area." The responses here validate and support ISIS and their tactics. In their minds ISIS are the good guys (why else would it be OK to kill tourists?) and stupid tourists are the fools.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Don Ro

If one maintains that these kids were just doing their thing...following what they thought was appropriate, in their mind...
then one can maintain that the ISIS killers were doing their thing...following what they thought was appropriate, in their mind.
So it's a push. (?)

Exactly!
There is no right or wrong...there is no good or bad...secular humanism at its best.

But wait, you say, what ISIS did was wrong! NOT according to the new rules. Everyone wants to decide that THEY THINK is good or bad but, they don't want to have someone else impose the measurement upon them.

Without an immovable standard that is measured by a perfect and loving judge it all becomes subject to everyone's opinion and you end up with the post modern sewer of morals we have today.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

No, killing random people is not appropriate.

Time out. Says who? You? You aren't my judge. The majority? The majority of the ISIS community disagrees with you. Welcome to the double standard of secular humanism.

Without an immovable standard measured by a perfect and loving judge, NO ONE has the right to judge.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Exactly!
There is no right or wrong...there is no good or bad...secular humanism at its best.

But wait, you say, what ISIS did was wrong! NOT according to the new rules. Everyone wants to decide that THEY THINK is good or bad but, they don't want to have someone else impose the measurement upon them.

Without an immovable standard that is measured by a perfect and loving judge it all becomes subject to everyone's opinion and you end up with the post modern sewer of morals we have today.

Yes. What I refer to as "A Loving Authority".
It resides within the Soul of Good Men. It is Wise and Kind.

[Por_sha911]

The men are not perfect. The Loving Authority that guides them on the other hand, He is. The problem is that we don't listen to the still small voice and we make up our own rules.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

The men are not perfect. The Loving Authority that guides them on the other hand, He is. The problem is that we don't listen to the still small voice and we make up our own rules.

I never considered assigning a pronoun to it.
More like an entity, a presence...the essential ground of Being...to me.
My experience, anyway.
YMMV.

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

No, killing random people is not appropriate. That is what is so perplexing to me about the responses here. The victims were not threatening anyone in any way, and the criticism is all on them for being naive. Where is the criticism of the killers? It is secondary here. I am appalled that the response is not, "Those bastard ISIS murders killing innocent tourists" instead of what we get - "those stupid people go to sketchy area." The responses here validate and support ISIS and their tactics. In their minds ISIS are the good guys (why else would it be OK to kill tourists?) and stupid tourists are the fools.

Everybody here is appalled at ISIS's actions. But it is what we have come to expect from ISIS.

Everybody here agrees killing random people is not appropriate.
To the ISIS mindset, however, these were not random people. These were unbelievers. Infidels.

Due in large part to Reiver's long-running thread on Islam, I bought a copy of the Koran so I could know the truth about Islam.
Guess what? Reiver has been correct in all of his claims about Islam. ISIS is simply following what their religion requires.

Disgusting? Yes. ...But it's the truth.

Poking a grizzly bear is dangerous.
Swimming with alligators is dangerous.
Pedestrians have the right-of-way, but playing catch on the freeway is dangerous.
Riding a bike through ISIS territory is dangerous.

We're not happy about that, and we don't understand the mindset, but it's the truth.

This young couple decided to ignore the truth. Tragically, it cost them their lives.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

Everybody here is appalled at ISIS's actions. But it is what we have come to expect from ISIS.

Everybody here agrees killing random people is not appropriate.
To the ISIS mindset, however, these were not random people. These were unbelievers. Infidels.

Due in large part to Reiver's long-running thread on Islam, I bought a copy of the Koran so I could know the truth about Islam.
Guess what? Reiver has been correct in all of his claims about Islam. ISIS is simply following what their religion requires.

Disgusting? Yes. ...But it's the truth.

Poking a grizzly bear is dangerous.
Swimming with alligators is dangerous.
Pedestrians have the right-of-way, but playing catch on the freeway is dangerous.
Riding a bike through ISIS territory is dangerous.

We're not happy about that, and we don't understand the mindset, but it's the truth.

This young couple decided to ignore the truth. Tragically, it cost them their lives.

Yeah, Reiver gives a crash course now/then...good reading.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

No, killing random people is not appropriate. That is what is so perplexing to me about the responses here. The victims were not threatening anyone in any way, and the criticism is all on them for being naive. Where is the criticism of the killers? It is secondary here. I am appalled that the response is not, "Those bastard ISIS murders killing innocent tourists" instead of what we get - "those stupid people go to sketchy area." The responses here validate and support ISIS and their tactics. In their minds ISIS are the good guys (why else would it be OK to kill tourists?) and stupid tourists are the fools.

Really?? That is your level of understanding of all of this? Because no one came right out and denounced the barbarity of the attack we must all support ISIS and their tactics? That we all think ISIS are "the good guys"?? Really?? You honestly believe that? It never occurred to you that revulsion and anger are such a shared, common response that no one had to come right out and say it?

You really believe these were just "random people"? To their attackers? You really have no understanding of just what these two represented to their attackers?

*Sigh*. I'm just shaking my head...

[450knotOffice]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

No, killing random people is not appropriate. That is what is so perplexing to me about the responses here. The victims were not threatening anyone in any way, and the criticism is all on them for being naive. Where is the criticism of the killers? It is secondary here. I am appalled that the response is not, "Those bastard ISIS murders killing innocent tourists" instead of what we get - "those stupid people go to sketchy area." The responses here validate and support ISIS and their tactics. In their minds ISIS are the good guys (why else would it be OK to kill tourists?) and stupid tourists are the fools.

You are REACHING with this post. You make many incorrect assumptions here.

[onewhippedpuppy]

I assumed that hating ISIS, what they stand for, and their actions was the baseline for this conversation. Much like if I post about falling into the water I assume you realize that I’m going to get wet, it shouldn’t need explaining.

The missionary comparison is irrelevant. Missionaries prepare before going into a foreign nation, be it for protection, knowing where to go and where not to go, immunizations, etc. Missionary groups don’t just stroll into the middle of a religious war thinking that sunshine and butterflies will have their backs. Btw, missionary groups also bring medicine, shelter, food, water, and other resources, so they automatically tend to have a smaller target on their backs. Is it dangerous, absolutely! But they go into their mission with eyes wide open.

[cairns]

No, killing random people is not appropriate. That is what is so perplexing to me about the responses here. The victims were not threatening anyone in any way, and the criticism is all on them for being naive. Where is the criticism of the killers? It is secondary here. I am appalled that the response is not, "Those bastard ISIS murders killing innocent tourists" instead of what we get - "those stupid people go to sketchy area." The responses here validate and support ISIS and their tactics. In their minds ISIS are the good guys (why else would it be OK to kill tourists?) and stupid tourists are the fools.

Why are you such a d'fk? Serious question. You're a pampered liberal dolt and your logic says you should head over there and criticize them yourself and spare us any more ridiculously stupid posts...tell them to open Trek dealerships and a Starbucks while you're at it.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by cairns

Why are you such a d'fk? Serious question. You're a pampered liberal dolt and your logic says you should head over there and criticize them yourself and spare us any more ridiculously stupid posts...tell them to open Trek dealerships and a Starbucks while you're at it.

There is a thread about this over on PARF. We generally try to avoid name calling and personal attacks here on PPOT.