Tesla Model 3

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

He just can't let it go.

Yeah, I don't understand why cairns is such a bitter ass hole either that he feels the need to **** on this thread.

Hey cairns, get a ****ing life. and some manners.

One of my little friends from PARF likes to follow me around and one-star all my threads. Not sure who it is, but there are a couple likely suspects.

[cairns]

Yeah, I don't understand why cairns is such a bitter ass hole either that he feels the need to **** on this thread.

Hey cairns, get a ****ing life. and some manners.

Calling me an assh*le and telling me I need manners. Maybe you and Musk should get some of the same help.....:roll eyes:

And to underline your stupidity it's Musk who can't let the British scuba diver go.....reading the background might help.

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by cairns

And to underline your stupidity it's Musk who can't let the British scuba diver go.....reading the background might help.

What the heck does this rubbish have to do with the thread topic?

It’s interesting to hear about the initial quality & delivery issues, and about the Model 3 performance. They’ve pushed the other automakers in a direction they probably wouldn’t have gone if left to their own devices. Interesting times.

[cairns]

What the heck does this rubbish have to do with the thread topic?

Quite a bit...the CEO of the company is becoming unhinged...they've had massive production problems, quality problems, fires at the plant and the board has told him to keep his ka-ka off twitter. He did it again yesterday on the very day Corgi posted...after everyone thought it was over. I'm happy Corgi's daughter is happy with her car but I'd hate to bring any car home on the same day the CEO is in the news for going nuts (again) and jeopardizing the future of the company over what anyone would recognize is a truly weird topic. I can't think of a single automotive CEO in history who's called someone a pedo and then doubled down on it- publicly. The word is becoming synonymous with Tesla.

And what does calling me an ******* have to do with the thread topic as long as we're asking questions?? Most of us leave the insults in parf....

[Jim Richards]

No, not “Quite a bit.” It’s as related to the thread topic as the jerk in the Tesla factory that always leaves a mess in the bathroom. I’m sure that guy exists. Just as unrelated as the rubbish you posted. If you don’t want people to get in you face, try to act better yourself.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by madcorgi

One of my little friends from PARF likes to follow me around and one-star all my threads. Not sure who it is, but there are a couple likely suspects.

There's probably more than one?
Note: I am not stating I am doing that.

OK--everyone calm down!

Cairns makes an interesting point, but I think Elon's nuttiness may get him chucked out of his own company. It's certainly happened before, and has even been pretty hilariously depicted on HBO's Silicon Valley.

Tesla still has a lot going for it as a brand, and it has a pretty loyal customer base. Demand is still high, and I think the mission is worthy. I would expect quality problems on an early car with the factory under so much stress. Based on that, I probably would not have bought the car myself. But my daughter didn't ask for my opinion, and she tends to manage her own life pretty well.

One nice thing about Teslae is that they are really pretty simple in comparison with regular IC cars and certainly hybrids, which combine both IC and electric technologies and are thus hugely complicated. By contrast, Tesla has one or two electric motors and batteries, no transmission (just a reduction gear), and everything in the powertrain plugs in. So the standard big-ticket IC car worries like cylinder wall scoring and IMS bearing failures are nonexistent. That leaves the standard peripherals, which can be expensive, for sure, but overall, I see the risk as a bit lower than with regular first-year cars.

I do hope I haven't jinxed things . . .

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

There's probably more than one?
Note: I am not stating I am doing that.

Hard to believe I am not universally loved, but alas, it's true.

[cairns]

No, not “Quite a bit.” It’s as related to the thread topic as the jerk in the Tesla factory that always leaves a mess in the bathroom. I’m sure that guy exists. Just as unrelated as the rubbish you posted. If you don’t want people to get in you face, try to act better yourself.

Maybe you just see rubbish where you want to- and think insults are fine here. But Musk is far from a guy who made a mess in the bathroom- he's the CEO and founder- and the company heavily relies on him. Maybe you could get a little perspective and quit lecturing others on how to act- especially if you're going to tacitly defend insults.

And FWIW I checked out a Model 3 last night- IMO one of the best looking small four door sedans out there (I don't understand those who think they're ugly). It's performance is impressive I'm sure- but the CEO appears to be trying to ruin it all. And that's just as relevant to a car purchase as it's performance or appearance. Sorry you can't see that Jim.

And no Corgi you didn't jinx a damn thing- your daughter sounds pretty cool.

[Jim Richards]

Spin all you like, cairns, but you are simply trolling this thread.

[911SauCy]

Originally Posted by madcorgi

My daughter got her Tesla Model 3 this weekend. It took forever, the delivery process was a complete freak show, and she actually had to refuse to take delivery of the first car because it had so many obvious quality defects. When she handed them the list, they suggested "assigning a different VIN." (Yes, she is an engineer, a perfectionist, and a princess, but she's MY engineer, perfectionist, and princess.) She is composing an appropriate email lashing for Tesla's delivery folks.

Not surprising as I read somewhere that over 40% of the units coming off the assembly line either required a "re-work" or would be turned away at delivery.

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-teardown-by-engineering-firm-reveals-qual-1822678045

Never mind their absolutely hideous styling and overall cheap appearance.

[cairns]

Spin all you like, cairns, but you are simply trolling this thread.

I think it's pretty clear who the troll is. You wanted to jump ugly on top of ugly- and got caught. And now your feelings are hurt.

[Jim Richards]

I feel great, cairns. Troll on.

SauCy, I've seen a few running around here and they look nice. The interior is really, really spartan. I'm not sure I'd like to have it facing me every day for a number of years. It's not for everyone.

The quality issues need to be fixed asap now that they have met production numbers. I didn't read your article, SauCy. But, IIRC, that team had a follow up article that was a lot more positive about the Model 3. Still, I recently heard of a Model 3 that was recently delivered that had the rear bumper fall off as it was driving down the road. Ooops!

[onewhippedpuppy]

I have a crazy suggestion - what if Musk is TRYING to get bought out? It's the one way that he can escape this dumpster fire with some money in his pocket. Just think for a minute, Tesla has enjoyed a monopoly on the luxury performance electric car market since their inception and therefore been allowed to get away with not meeting performance targets, poor build quality, poor service, etc. In the next two years there will be electric competitors from Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, and Audi, that will offer equal to better performance, quality, and support, all for equal or less money. For Tesla to have a chance they will have to step up their game across the board, and they are yet to show that improvement is possible. So what if Musk is trying to force their hand? Remove him from CEO, buy out his shares, and he blames sleep deprivation and Ambien for his erratic behavior after the fact? Crazier things have happened....

Originally Posted by 911SauCy

Not surprising as I read somewhere that over 40% of the units coming off the assembly line either required a "re-work" or would be turned away at delivery.

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-teardown-by-engineering-firm-reveals-qual-1822678045

Never mind their absolutely hideous styling and overall cheap appearance.

To my eye, the car is a dead ringer for the unlovely Renault Caravelle from the early 60s.

[Deschodt]

My disappointment is not really with Tesla, it's with all the other players...

Tesla proved those cars are fun, fast, reliable, even though they build them like crap, so in spite of themselves. The downpayment subscription numbers for the model 3 showed there was a sizeable market, if the sales of the model S or X did not suffice !

What are the other guys waiting for ? Why is everything 2020 or more ?

VW and Nissan had small range cars that look rather "blah"..The BMW I3 looked like a scifi movie prop and also not much range. The chevy Bolt now has 200 mi but they made it look embarrassing, and no car guy would want to get caught dead in one... Does it really take this long to copy a tesla model that has been out for 6 years now, with the advance manufacturing and muscle those big groups have?

VW added 40 miles of range to its golf, sad.... Mercedes is only now releasing a crap looking SUV with 200 mi range, which is less than the E-Pace... Audi will finally show its crossover next week for sale next year, but all those things are SUV/crossovers with a $75-100K price tag... Porsche will kick butt but at a Porsche like cost - $$$$...

Why on earth haven't the big manufacturers released a normal/cool but not crazy looking $35-40K car with decent range yet with their economies of scale, and buried tesla ? Essentially a well built not ugly Tesla 3 with normal gauges and stuff, cheaper than Tesla can.... Weird... especially with all the problems around the diesel in the european groups...

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

My disappointment is not really with Tesla, it's with all the other players...

Tesla proved those cars are fun, fast, reliable, even though they build them like crap, so in spite of themselves. The downpayment subscription numbers for the model 3 showed there was a sizeable market, if the sales of the model S or X did not suffice !

What are the other guys waiting for ? Why is everything 2020 or more ?

VW and Nissan had small range cars that look rather "blah"..The BMW I3 looked like a scifi movie prop and also not much range. The chevy Bolt now has 200 mi but they made it look embarrassing, and no car guy would want to get caught dead in one... Does it really take this long to copy a tesla model that has been out for 6 years now, with the advance manufacturing and muscle those big groups have?

VW added 40 miles of range to its golf, sad.... Mercedes is only now releasing a crap looking SUV with 200 mi range, which is less than the E-Pace... Audi will finally show its crossover next week for sale next year, but all those things are SUV/crossovers with a $75-100K price tag... Porsche will kick butt but at a Porsche like cost - $$$$...

Why on earth haven't the big manufacturers released a normal/cool but not crazy looking $35-40K car with decent range yet with their economies of scale, and buried tesla ? Essentially a well built not ugly Tesla 3 with normal gauges and stuff, cheaper than Tesla can.... Weird... especially with all the problems around the diesel in the european groups...

They are coming and coming soon. One other factor you forgot - profit. Tesla loses money, pretty sure most car companies aren't ok with that being part of the equation.

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I have a crazy suggestion - what if Musk is TRYING to get bought out? It's the one way that he can escape this dumpster fire with some money in his pocket. Just think for a minute, Tesla has enjoyed a monopoly on the luxury performance electric car market since their inception and therefore been allowed to get away with not meeting performance targets, poor build quality, poor service, etc. In the next two years there will be electric competitors from Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, and Audi, that will offer equal to better performance, quality, and support, all for equal or less money. For Tesla to have a chance they will have to step up their game across the board, and they are yet to show that improvement is possible. So what if Musk is trying to force their hand? Remove him from CEO, buy out his shares, and he blames sleep deprivation and Ambien for his erratic behavior after the fact? Crazier things have happened....

Interesting theory, but I don't think so. I just think he's nuts--unlike our prez, a very unstable genius. I think they'll remove him kicking and screaming and have to launch him towards Mars to get rid of him.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Tesla bought out by a company like Porsche, which could fix their production problems and gain a ready-to-go facility and loyal customer base. Or maybe even Apple, which could move seamlessly into the integrated transportation pod business.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by cairns

After yesterday's latest rants I'd be ashamed to be seen in a Tesla- let alone pay over $50K for one.

Thanks for your input, but I would rather hear from someone who WOULD buy one. They are way more interesting than the usual whine about Musk.