JAL pilot at 10x alcohol limit

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by speeder

He basically did not have enough blood in his alcohol stream.

Hahahaha, I’m going to steal that.

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Oh for sure I know stuff happens (used to fly for a living myself). There’s what the regs day and what some people actually do.

Yea - dumb and he got busted. Job opening. Next in line, you’re up!

They are not filling seats very easy. My buddy is a polit and just kicked a kid back into simulators after he slammed the jet into the runway so hard they bounced 3x. He said he was sick to his stomach over how violent the landing was. He got on the PA and apologized.

He is does some sort of check out / instruction and said this cat was a mess when it came time to land. I am not a pilot but the way he explained it to me was that a simulator really cannot fix this, it is something you need to understand and be able to do in the real world. If that makes sense.

Concerning bottle to throttle, from what I have gathered these pilots blow off a LOT of steam when laid over. They push that 8 hour limit to the minute.

I thought that movie was anomaly, turns out it is not.

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by speeder

He basically did not have enough blood in his alcohol stream.

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Hahahaha, I’m going to steal that.

+1 that is gold.

[porsche4life]

Idiot got what he had coming.


I know my pilot neighbor is pretty hard core about 12hr bottle to throttle, but if he’s not flying watch out. Dude will hurt you!

[450knotOffice]

Originally Posted by Jims5543

They are not filling seats very easy. My buddy is a polit and just kicked a kid back into simulators after he slammed the jet into the runway so hard they bounced 3x. He said he was sick to his stomach over how violent the landing was. He got on the PA and apologized.

He is does some sort of check out / instruction and said this cat was a mess when it came time to land. I am not a pilot but the way he explained it to me was that a simulator really cannot fix this, it is something you need to understand and be able to do in the real world. If that makes sense.

It sounds to me like your friend was giving Initial Operating Experience (IOE) to a pilot new in the airplane and/or the airline. Landings in Transport Category jets can certainly be simulated well in a modern simulator.

Concerning bottle to throttle, from what I have gathered these pilots blow off a LOT of steam when laid over. They push that 8 hour limit to the minute.

Who are you referring to? Pilots from essentially ALL airlines? Or JAL pilots? I can tell you from 27+ years as an airline pilot that the vast majority certainly do NOT blow off steam on a layover and/or ever push that 8 hour bottle to throttle limit. Most are simply too aware that their careers are at stake, at the very least. I would say, however, it's probably true that many will have a beer or two, or a glass or two of wine, but that's generally it.

I thought that movie was anomaly, turns out it is not.

Your initial thought WAS correct. That movie was a total anomaly. Do not believe otherwise.

As an additional note, I believe that the ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) BAC limit is .02, so this guy would've been at nearly 10 times the limit for pilots.

[Jeff Hail]

Originally Posted by KC911

Somebody please photoshop a 12-pack in his hand ....

[onewhippedpuppy]

Because of this issue, JAL has now instituted a 24 hour bottle to throttle policy, which is the strictest in the industry.

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Because of this issue, JAL has now instituted a 24 hour bottle to throttle policy, which is the strictest in the industry.

To me that says this is not an isolated incident.....

[Bob Kontak]

FWIW I went to the Targa Newfoundland Rally this September as a support crew member. Drivers blew every morning. Word was five beers by 8:00PM and you would blow zero. No one was sidelined and there was drinking a-plenty with dinner.

The JAL pilot was 0.18? I think two bottles of wine and a pitcher of beer is a lie.

I guess I would lie too?

If he is telling the truth perhaps a metabolism issue? I know peeps that stink the next day after ten 4% 12 oz beers.

Just talking.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

To me that says this is not an isolated incident.....

Nope, there have been several incidents recently with Japanese flight crew and pilots showing up drunk.

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by 450knotOffice

As an additional note, I believe that the ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) BAC limit is .02, so this guy would've been at nearly 10 times the limit for pilots.

Not gonna argue with you as you appear to be a pilot. My friend is in his 30's. We also discussed he is a fetus among dinosaurs. I recently was on a 2 hour layover in ATL and noticed evey pilot in the airport was over 60 years old.

Maybe the young bucks are kicking it up a little while the old guys are sleeping? My bud had a pretty wild tear through stewardess' for a few years before he got engaged.

My bud says sim is good but real world is better here is a convo with the sim instructor.



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[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by speeder

He basically did not have enough blood in his alcohol stream.

David Lee Roth - "I used to have a drug problem. Now I make enough money."

[onewhippedpuppy]

There’s a huge looming pilot shortage because of impending retirement. The military is having a hard time keeping their pilots because after their first tour, they can leave for big money at the airlines. It’s hitting the international carriers worse but they are starting to throw big money at American pilots to lure them overseas. Most of the major airlines are now providing scholarship style programs to new pilots, where they pay for flight school ($100k+ investment) in exchange for a commitment of X years. Meanwhile air travel increases every year.