If vaccines work as advertised, why are people upset with anti Vaxers?

[svandamme]

Don't get me startd on flat earthers, they are as thick as a plank and all it takes to disprove flat earth is a strong l leveled laser that has half a mile range.. and a lake or something like it.

but nooooo that's to technical for them idiots.
Some idiot actually did the laser test, on snow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuqBFBZGOe4

No.. you should do it on fecking water..

[john70t]

Hold onto yer tinfoil hats, kids, because we're goin in..:

https://voat.co/v/news/3087288
Rockefeller Foundation Admitted Funding, Developing Anti-fertility Vaccines Intended for "Mass-scale Distribution"

submitted 19 hours ago by steelgnat

Rockefeller Foundation Developed Vaccines For “Mass-Scale” Fertility Reduction

[svandamme]

I'm not against that.
To many people on this planet anyway... a RiF of 50% sounds about right to me.
I don't mind more then 50%, i really don't..

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Don't get me started on flat earthers, they are as thick as a plank and all it takes to disprove flat earth is a strong l leveled laser that has half a mile range.. and a lake or something like it.

but nooooo that's to technical for them idiots.
..

So what do you think about those flat-earthers?

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Don't get me startd on flat earthers, they are as thick as a plank and all it takes to disprove flat earth is a strong l leveled laser that has half a mile range.. and a lake or something like it.

Lasers are the work of the devil. They're all smoke and mirrors.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by john70t

Hold onto yer tinfoil hats, kids, because we're goin in..:

https://voat.co/v/news/3087288
Rockefeller Foundation Admitted Funding, Developing Anti-fertility Vaccines Intended for "Mass-scale Distribution"
submitted 19 hours ago by steelgnat
Rockefeller Foundation Developed Vaccines For “Mass-Scale” Fertility Reduction

The girlfriend of a guy who works for me on occasion turned up pregnant with twins, to add to the three she already has. He has two kids by another woman. All 10 of them are on public assistance of one sort or another. MrsWD thinks anyone on public assistance should be required to take some sort of temporary anti-fertility drug until they can support a family. I agree.

[group911@aol.co]

Kind of relevant to this discussion. I like the first doc
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/health/immune-system-allergies.html

[wdfifteen]

Relevant to the OP:
NPR ran a story yesterday about a boy who spent 57 excruciatingly painful days in the hospital, part of it isolated in a dark room and on a ventilator, because his parents wouldn't allow him to get a tetanus shot. The hospital stay alone was $811,929. Careflight, rehab, etc was additional, for a total of nearly a million dollars. Who do you think paid for it? Even if he had insurance, everyone who is insured paid. Quite likely he got medicaid, meaning taxpayers paid for it. The doctors wanted to give the boy tetanus vaccine after he recovered, but the idiot parents STILL wouldn't allow it. He contracted the disease at home, meaning the disease is lurking in his daily environment and he can look forward to another hospital stay and we can cough up another Million dollars to pay for it when he gets it again.


https://www.npr.org/2019/03/08/701553920/unvaccinated-boy-6-spent-57-days-in-the-hospital-with-tetanus

[svandamme]

technically, if the boy got live tetanus, and survived it, wouldn't that give his immuun system something to have learned from? and wouldn't he have built up immunity that way?

(not stating fact, asking question)

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by svandamme

technically, if the boy got live tetanus, and survived it, wouldn't that give his immuun system something to have learned from? and wouldn't he have built up immunity that way?

(not stating fact, asking question)

Not a doctor but it’s a possibility. But it’s also a possibility that his immune system is such a wreck after that 60 days in the hospital that a booster would be a real good idea.


I mean when the alternative is dying, I’m not sure why you wouldn’t get the shot for your kid....

[RSBob]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

I mean when the alternative is dying, I’m not sure why you wouldn’t get the shot for your kid....

The word ‘moron’ comes to mind.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

The girlfriend of a guy who works for me on occasion turned up pregnant with twins, to add to the three she already has. He has two kids by another woman. All 10 of them are on public assistance of one sort or another. MrsWD thinks anyone on public assistance should be required to take some sort of temporary anti-fertility drug until they can support a family. I agree.

I agree with that but..
Our 'managed capitalism' system relies on a pyramid structure with the feckless youth masses supporting the retired benefactors.
If US citizens don't have motivated kids to work hard for the next generation, migrants might be needed.
(at least that is one of the rationales in liberal policy push)

Germany and Japan have flat growth rates, at least before, but we will see if that is sustainable.
Hopefully it is.
The entire world should ultimately become responsible for their own pop growth. So be it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxvUncWei48
"Been around the world and found
That only stupid people are breeding
The cretins cloning and feeding
And I don't even own a tv"

[Jims5543]

Watch the video, this is why I dislike Anti-Vaxers.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/03/12/judge-anti-vax-parents-cant-return/


Also Italy just banned kids from all schools unless they are up on their vaccinations.

We have extinct diseases blooming again, who is to blame for that?

[cstreit]

Originally Posted by Jims5543

Watch the video, this is why I dislike Anti-Vaxers.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/03/12/judge-anti-vax-parents-cant-return/


Also Italy just banned kids from all schools unless they are up on their vaccinations.

We have extinct diseases blooming again, who is to blame for that?

Translation "Preventing my child from social interaction so he doesn't contract preventable but disfiguring diseases is wrong"

I suspect it resolve itself in a generation. WTF is wrong with these parents?

[billybek]

This is the latest potential outbreak in our area.
https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/news/Page14966.aspx
That is a pretty small sample of locations but how many people could possibly be affected by this?
edit
In 2011, the WHO estimated that 158,000 deaths were caused by measles. This is down from 630,000 deaths in 1990. As of 2018, measles remains a leading cause of vaccine-preventable deaths in the world. In developed countries, death occurs in one to two cases out of every 1,000 (0.1–0.2%)

[billybek]

Double post...

[billybek]

This is the latest potential outbreak in our area.
https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/news/Page14966.aspx
That is a pretty small sample of locations but how many people could possibly be affected by this?

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by svandamme

technically, if the boy got live tetanus, and survived it, wouldn't that give his immuun system something to have learned from? and wouldn't he have built up immunity that way?

(not stating fact, asking question)

Evidently not.

"Tetanus is not passed from person to person. This means that it cannot be prevented by herd immunity. Catching tetanus does not make you immune; even those who catch tetanus and survive can get the disease again."

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4220.pdf

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by flipper35

Evidently not.

"Tetanus is not passed from person to person. This means that it cannot be prevented by herd immunity. Catching tetanus does not make you immune; even those who catch tetanus and survive can get the disease again."

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4220.pdf

Sure but how do you get immunity for 10 years from a single shot then?
I know that vaccin comes from horses, but how would your own immune system not remember the fight against the first infection x amount of time after that first recovery?

[flipper35]

Maybe because they are higher doses than what you would normally contract from the live bacteria? Not sure. I just heard from the story about the kid with tetanus that you can contract tetanus multiple times if you have not been vaccinated and you survive.