If vaccines work as advertised, why are people upset with anti Vaxers?

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Bugsinrugs

Boy oh boy! I sure hope the parents are forced to pay the hospital bill.

You mean everybody gets subsidized...except for those who don't step in line comrade?

You mean those parents should be stripped of everything they have and then tossed penniless into the street, along with their sick child?
They would incur the full expense of our very own "#1 most expensive medical system in the world".
That will teach them.
(Think about what you just wrote.)

Just wait until researchers find out later that the bacterial strain was prevalent and benign and everywhere in the world until vaccines actual cause the mutation....
Naaaah they wouldn't do that would they? Create the cause for their cure?

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by masraum

Hahahah, wow.

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Was AB's account hacked? Tourettes syndrome?

Some 8 year old somewhere is having quite the chuckle now, I think.

You must not read Burner's posts in PARF (before he deletes them, that is).

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Whoa. Why do you even think your response was justified? He merely provided an educated theory with a first person experience.

Burnerman is one of the regulars here who, for whatever reason, just doesn’t like me. A post from me elicits a reptilian response to say something stupid or unintelligible that is meant to be an insult.

[cabmandone]

Someone asked about the spike in autism. I believe it is in part due to better diagnosis of autism. When I was a kid in the 70's a person with autism was just that "shy kid" that didn't talk to others and never looked another person in the eye. I also personally believe that some of the uptick can be attributed to people waiting until later in life to have children.

[cstreit]

Easy.

1. Unvaccinated infants
2. People who are unable to take them due to medical reasons
3. Needless risking of human life based on pseudo-science.
4. REssurecting diseases that should be gone.

[jhynesrockmtn]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Someone asked about the spike in autism. I believe it is in part due to better diagnosis of autism. When I was a kid in the 70's a person with autism was just that "shy kid" that didn't talk to others and never looked another person in the eye. I also personally believe that some of the uptick can be attributed to people waiting until later in life to have children.

"On the spectrum" now can range from profoundly disabled (non verbal, significant cognitive delay) to brilliant but with some social awkwardness. The former were "mentally retarded" in the old days. The latter the "odd kid". I have a friend in the latter category but only slightly. One of the best ENT Docs in Seattle. Both sons in medical school. The oldest "normal" the younger one struggled quite a bit growing up. Very awkward as a younger kid. Would get seriously obsessed with things like video games, pokeman, learning piano. I wasn't sure he would live independently as an adult. He's at Yale medical school. Several years ago research showed a genetic link, these two are a great example of that.

[widebody911]

You mean everybody gets subsidized...except for those who don't step in line comrade?

So you're implying that you're a commie if you get vaccinated, but also a commie if you don't get vaccinated and expect everyone else to pick up the tab.

You mean those parents should be stripped of everything they have and then tossed penniless into the street, along with their sick child?

The parents took a huge gamble, and lost big. They bet their child on their egos and the word of a washed-up porn star and against decades of science and medicine. Now not only do they want the house to pay, they're doubling down.

They would incur the full expense of our very own "#1 most expensive medical system in the world".
That will teach them.

You wanted unfettered Capitalism, this is what it looks like. Any attempts to change said medical system have been fought tooth and nail by the entrenched interests.

[sammyg2]

If vaccines work as advertised, why are people upset with anti Vaxers?

I'm fine with them inviting Darwin in to play, their biddness.
But unfortunately in today's world, the GENIUSES who make the rules have decided that it's my job to work hard and earn lots of money so they can take it away and spend it on people who don't work hard and make lots of money.

If people want to get sick it's fine with me, as long as I don't have to pay for their irresponsibility.

[Bugsinrugs]

Originally Posted by john70t

You mean everybody gets subsidized...except for those who don't step in line comrade?

You mean those parents should be stripped of everything they have and then tossed penniless into the street, along with their sick child?
They would incur the full expense of our very own "#1 most expensive medical system in the world".
That will teach them.
(Think about what you just wrote.)

Just wait until researchers find out later that the bacterial strain was prevalent and benign and everywhere in the world until vaccines actual cause the mutation....
Naaaah they wouldn't do that would they? Create the cause for their cure?

In my world I take responsibility for my decisions. I expect others to do the same. Simple

[brshap]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

You are so GD stupid i wish you would ignore my post.
Go get a life somewhere puss face

Somebody's had too many vaccines...

[john70t]

(I think you all just won but I'll keep playing)

So all types of billion dollar medical cases get washed daily through the national insurance 'financial cleaning machine'.....

which disperses it along for all the taxpayers and paying customers to make up the difference, including costs for illegals and junkies and homeopathic self-healers, who can also be categorized in the 'intentional and not circumstantial' category,......

and for a myriad of different national causes for negligent disease and self-injury, some of which may be prevalent locally and to be attributed to another source, such as a river dumping by a legally immune factory, and a known source of much greater threat to the general welfare of the populous....

but in this one singular particular circumstance, you all have zero compassion for the sick patient....

which bring us to the conclusion that a political bias is being used instead of socialized compassion which is the core basis of public laws and what should be the private industry imposed by law upon citizens.

[sammyg2]

[Dantilla]

John, your last post kinda jumped from vaccines to health care in general, where the discussion could go on for 50 pages about where things should be handled differently.

I think wanting to "stick it to the parents" is an over reaction, but the purpose is compassion for the kids- If the kids get an easily preventable disease, point fingers at those who not only did nothing, but purposely avoided the easy solution.

We have friends with two of the greatest young boys- Smart, energetic, doing extremely well in organized sports who have had no vaccines.

If one of them were to contract one of these horrible diseases, I will be devastated.
I have great compassion for these boys. I want them to remain healthy.

I also really like the parents. Fantastic people. I just with they would listen to reason about vaccines.

[sammyg2]

[john70t]

Dantilla I think the "stick it to parents" comment was just moving the goalposts for the sake of argument, as I did.

The objections I have, as mentioned before, is the methodology of the treatments, the efficacy vs risk, and the overwhelming financial motivations behind it.

It (measles) is not a national crisis but it is being made out to be one. MRSA and Staph and the superbugs being created by over-antibiotic regiments for food is far more important. They are literally creating these superbugs knowingly because the industries don't wan't to spend extra money to raise animals in healthier and more humane conditions. In the Central Valley of California you can drive by the cattle ranches from the freeway and see where the earth is black because cows are being raised in fields of excrement and require antibiotics. Chickens are GMO bio-engineered (I'm so sure that would never affect us humans /s) and literally just mass processed from birth by automatic machines. Call me PETA I don't care. We have lost a bit of common sense replaced by greed and numbers.

I just think there is a great amount of 'corner cutting' happening in food industry.
And there are aftereffects and consequences to human health systems.
And those consequences are being covered up with a drug cocktail bandaid applied to infants as an experiment.

"I'm helping. See we did something about it! Have another injection. Just trust us blindly without questioning."
Instead of fixing the source they cover up the symptoms...

It wasn't a hundred years ago or so that doctors stopped rushing from the dissection of corpses to assisting births with their unwashed hands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
He was universally chided by his colleagues as a quack until time proved him correct.

So the field of medicine is not some set of utopian commandments on a pedestal.

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by john70t

So the field of medicine is not some set of utopian commandments on a pedestal.

With this, I think we can all agree!

100 years from now, our current health care methods will be seen as very primitive.

[sammyg2]

You are PETA

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by john70t

I just think there is a great amount of 'corner cutting' happening in food industry.
And there are aftereffects and consequences to human health systems.
And those consequences are being covered up with a drug cocktail bandaid applied to infants as an experiment.

That certainly is part of it, always assume human greed and corruption are part of the matrix and follow the money.

[GH85Carrera]

They call it a medical "practice" for a reason. Over 250,000 people die each year from doctors making mistakes.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_ca use_of_death_in_the_us

I can assure you, if I have any health related issues, I will go see a doctor (MD) and not even think about the quacks like chiropractors, or homeopathic alternative treatments. When a chiropractor claims to treat liver problems or diabetes, he is a quack.

Vaccines work. As an old grey hair, I received a small pox vaccination and I have a scar on my arm. No one much worries about smallpox now that vaccines eliminated it.

My dad talked about a year when polio was rampant. His parents did not let him off of the property for about a year. Now polio is pretty much gone and it was ONLY because of vaccines. My dad filled up two vaccination books as an Air Force officer that traveled to many countries.

The entire mess caused by one "doctor" that has been proven wrong over and over. Like the flat earth believers, the story has some ideas that makes sense to some people. That simply does not make it even close to reality.

The best fix for all of the anti-vaxers, adjust their insurance rates to include the added risk and cost of treatment. And make them 100% responsible for the costs.

[Deschodt]

I'm definitely NOT anti-vaxer but I do somewhat understand their reasoning, flawed as it may be: I'm not sure how many of you are "recent" parents, but if you aren't, it was shocking to my wife and I just how many vaccinations the kids take in a relatively short amount of time, combined diseases too... If you had a baby recently I am sure you can relate...

It does make you wonder, it's human nature... It is probably a lot of **** for your immune system to deal with, and i'm reading that Europe is starting to decombine some vaccinations and spacing them out over a longer time period -guidelines change... Maybe that's something that should be investigated more because it's possible that not every kid can deal with that assault all at once?? Worth researching anyway... Personally I think a longer more relaxed schedule would help a lot with antivaxers fears and help us achieve herd immunity... Could be wrong, maybe nothing would help...

Over in Europe they seem to be freaking out about some vaccinations and increased prevalence of multiple sclerosis, more than autism... There's no doubt in my mind vaccines are a great thing and work (who wants polio??), but from fairly recent experience, I wouldn't mind if they were spaced a little more. Go have a kid and see for yourself, tell me the schedule doesn't seem a tad excessive...