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Trinity - 74 years later

July 16th, 1945. A day that will truly live in infamy...

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Too bad slakjaw isn't around to lose his mind...well, maybe not too bad...
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The Manhattan project is the only project to equal the difficulty of the Moon landing. Both efforts were only possible with the best intellects available.
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I've stood on that spot, pretty cool.
They saved a million lives with that bomb.

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The Manhattan Project descended from a small research program that began in 1939, and eventually grew to employ more than 130,000 people. The cost of the project was placed at nearly $2 billion USD, which in 2008 would be equivalent to nearly $24 billion based on CPI.

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How much did it cost to go to the moon in 1969?
The US spent $20 to $25 billion US (in 1969 dollars) to fund all of the Apollo program activities. Certainly if we average the cost over the missions, we'd come up with a number, but the first mission to the moon was the most expensive. It included all the development costs to that point. The other five missions where we landed were built on the knowledge gained in the lunar landing. It should also be noted that there were a number of Apollo missions that tested equipment and logistics prior to the actual first landing on the moon itself. It is difficult to put a cost on a given mission.
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NASA's budget for fiscal year (FY) 2019 is $21.5 billion.
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$21.5 billion a year, almost the equivalent cost of the entire Manhattan project every ****ing year, and they don't even have a ****ing rocket.




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Too bad slakjaw isn't around to lose his mind...well, maybe not too bad...
He lost it here ...wonder if it's still around?

Dat boy wuz a bit "high strung".... I remember yer escapade...posted later .
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July 16th, 1945. A day that will truly live in infamy...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_%28nuclear_test%29
No protests today in LA. Maybe on 6 Aug though the numbers are getting smaller every year. Back in the '90s it was bigger, one year they had llamas and Martin Sheen came to get arrested in civil disobedience. Even then there were more of us labbies gawking at the protesters than there were protesters.

Someday we'll get more of the Manhattan District sites opened up for the public. There's some cool stuff here in LA that's "behind the fence", but at least it's been stabilized and protected. It's fun to take authorized visitors on tours at lunch - some of the sites are mere hundreds of yards from my old office.
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The Manhattan Project descended from a small research program that began in 1939, and eventually grew to employ more than 130,000 people.
The cost of the project was placed at nearly $2 billion USD, which in 2008 would be equivalent to nearly $24 billion based on CPI
The Germans actually spent far more on Vergeltungswaffen, the V-weapon program (V-1 flying bombs and V-2 rockets) than the US did on the Manhattan Project.
The design and production of the Boeing B29 bomber also cost far more.
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The Germans actually spent far more on Vergeltungswaffen, the V-weapon program (V-1 flying bombs and V-2 rockets) than the US did on the Manhattan Project.
The design and production of the Boeing B29 bomber also cost far more.
the Manhattan project was a total bargain, especially when compared to what we spend on NASA every year.

Maybe we've become accustomed to seeing outrageous spending for so long that we've lost sight of what $21 Billion dollars really means.
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We visited my son the scientist (he's a postdoc at LANL) in Los Alamos last week. It was our first trip to LA and we toured the Bradbury Museum and Bath tub row etc......I think the most amazing thing to us was the average age of the people involved with the Manhattan project was just 29!
And the speed for which they were able to pull it all together....truly remarkable. There was nothing there but a boys school prior......
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the Manhattan project was a total bargain, especially when compared to what we spend on NASA every year.

Maybe we've become accustomed to seeing outrageous spending for so long that we've lost sight of what $21 Billion dollars really means.
If they had to be as safety conscious as NASA, if they had to triple redundant every power supply and switch and valve, and if they had to outsource to as many unscrupulous aerospace vendors as NASA does, it would have cost much much more...apples to oranges.
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Take a look at the toxic sites left behind in Hanford, WA, Oak Ridge, TN and then at Panaflex outside Amarillo, TX.
Long term costs to us all are not yet accounted for. Politicians hide it all in committees everywhere.
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If they had to be as safety conscious as NASA, if they had to triple redundant every power supply and switch and valve, and if they had to outsource to as many unscrupulous aerospace vendors as NASA does, it would have cost much much more...apples to oranges.
Yeah, that whole plutonium and uranium thing doesn't really require much safety stuff.
Especially when you mix it with enough high explosives to fuse atoms together.
And developing the first nuclear reactors … child's play.

But hey, NASA is really efficient! They pay real companies to make something for them ONCE IN A WHILE
And it's all those real companies that are to blame.

The international space station cost around $150,000,000,000 and we have to pay the Russians to fly us up there.

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Take a look at the toxic sites left behind in Hanford, WA, Oak Ridge, TN and then at Panaflex outside Amarillo, TX.
Long term costs to us all are not yet accounted for. Politicians hide it all in committees everywhere.
It's PanTex for Panhandle of Texas. NNSA's facility for assembly and disassembly of our nation's nucweps stockpile.
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The international space station cost around $150,000,000,000 and we have to pay the Russians to fly us up there.
The waste-of-time Iraq war was costing us $1.5B PER WEEK and what benefits did we get out of that? At least the space program helps maintain a base of technical expertise and has provided a good living for a lot of people for decades (myself included for two decades).
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Take a look at the toxic sites left behind in Hanford, WA, Oak Ridge, TN and then at Panaflex outside Amarillo, TX.
Long term costs to us all are not yet accounted for. Politicians hide it all in committees everywhere.
Oak Ridge isn't that bad. Nothing like Hanford. I work at ORNL. We have some legacy contamination, etc., to deal with but no "toxic sites". Y-12 has some issues, but not really from the Manhattan Project - it's from 60+ years of nuclear weapons production in general.
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Oak Ridge isn't that bad. Nothing like Hanford. I work at ORNL. We have some legacy contamination, etc., to deal with but no "toxic sites". Y-12 has some issues, but not really from the Manhattan Project - it's from 60+ years of nuclear weapons production in general.
I wonder if my ex-wife has that "glow" ?
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