Hit and run...

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

I have an update. I have the sobs license plate. Was shoved into and under my grill...
Gonna call the police in a few, but maybe my insurance as well.

Oh, that's great! Reminds me of a video I saw...thieves trying to steal an ATM by towing it away behind a pickup. Tow chain tore the bumper from their truck. They drove away, leaving the bumper and the plate behind.

[Por_sha911]

Don't you love it when a plan comes together?

[Arizona_928]

So the truck is out of the repair shop. 11mm bend in the right frame rail. $13,000 worth of damage. Essentially everything from the water pump forward has been replaced.

Was able to get the highway patrol accident report. Not at fault, but doesn't list the other driver that ran on me. My insurance (usaa) gave me the name and insurance co. from the license plate recovered from my truck. It belongs to a local 88M (truck driver) from the national guard. It was pretty easy to find his facebook with him and the car in question. I am debating going to speak with his CoC... What a dirt bag.

Morally It's not right that my insurance has to eat the repair... The dirt bag will prolly get away with it too.


On a lighter note. If anyone needs a new ram 2500 bumper/ bumper grill, supports, and other platic items. I went with a cow killer bumper, and the oem stuff was put in the bed when I picked up the truck...

[mattdavis11]

While not hit and runs, we are dealing with two accidents 3 days apart. Wife was struck by a young girl, son was no fault front car in a 3 car rear end collision.

The police saw the accident the wife was in and did not issue a citation for no insurance, but told wife that they could not verify. We found out yesterday that the little girl did not have insurance at the time of the accident, but did later that day. It's been a month trying to get it sorted. Car still mangled.

Son needs to get with the program, just got the police report yesterday.

Both need to learn that you get the insurance information from all parties at the scene, don't wait, and don't let the police handle that side of the accident.

[Jeff Higgins]

I don't get it. You have the actual, physical license plate from the other vehicle, right? And a good witness? Are the cops not pursuing this as a hit and run? If not, why not?

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I don't get it. You have the actual, physical license plate from the other vehicle, right? And a good witness? Are the cops not pursuing this as a hit and run? If not, why not?

I have the physical license plate in my possession. Good enough witness that stated he cut me off. The copper wrote the missing car made a unsafe lane change. Which considering the type of accident (I hit and they run) is a maricle I was not found at fault. The report lady even said I was a victim of hit and run, so the report fee was waived.
Coppers never even cared enough to call me for a follow up, or to even take/bag it as evidence...
Too much work for a state employee? I honestly don't know. It's prolly low on the priority list for some good old fashion police work. especially since no one got seriously hurt/killed.

Kinda reminds me of when my DEF tank got contaminated while sitting at the dealership for a month. Felony vandalism (6,000 worth of emissions equipment ruined), but when I ask for the police to come out to make a police report... crickets...

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by mattdavis11

While not hit and runs, we are dealing with two accidents 3 days apart. Wife was struck by a young girl, son was no fault front car in a 3 car rear end collision.

The police saw the accident the wife was in and did not issue a citation for no insurance, but told wife that they could not verify. We found out yesterday that the little girl did not have insurance at the time of the accident, but did later that day. It's been a month trying to get it sorted. Car still mangled.

Son needs to get with the program, just got the police report yesterday.

Both need to learn that you get the insurance information from all parties at the scene, don't wait, and don't let the police handle that side of the accident.

DAMN. I have under/not insured for a reason. I never thought I would have to use it, but here I am. I had to pay a deductible on my policy to get my property fixed. It's just is a ****ty situation all around... Going through a double dose is equally sucky...

I hope you're able to collect eventually since you have their info, but I bet the court route is equally a PITA unless you're dedicated to being made whole...

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

I have the physical license plate in my possession. Good enough witness that stated he cut me off. The copper wrote the missing car made a unsafe lane change. Which considering the type of accident (I hit and they run) is a maricle I was not found at fault. The report lady even said I was a victim of hit and run, so the report fee was waived.
Coppers never even cared enough to call me for a follow up, or to even take/bag it as evidence...
Too much work for a state employee? I honestly don't know. It's prolly low on the priority list for some good old fashion police work. especially since no one got seriously hurt/killed.

Kinda reminds me of when my DEF tank got contaminated while sitting at the dealership for a month. Felony vandalism (6,000 worth of emissions equipment ruined), but when I ask for the police to come out to make a police report... crickets...

Yeah, that really sucks. I know way, way too many people with similar stories. They suffer real loss, there is an easily identifiable (and apprehended) suspect, and our police simply cannot be arsed to even look into it. Doesn't make the jurisdiction any money. It's far more profitable to have our finest sitting on their dead asses with RADAR guns, filling the coffers. And they wonder why good, hard working tax paying citizens have so little respect for them anymore.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I don't get it. You have the actual, physical license plate from the other vehicle, right? And a good witness? Are the cops not pursuing this as a hit and run? If not, why not?

I'm not sure why no one has asked about rear ending a car and then blaming it on the other driver. From what I know here in CA, and having been licensed and driving for nearly 60 years, the car in front might get a ticket for reckless driving and/or causing an accident (very gray area and hard to prove). However, the car behind usually gets the blame as the law states that you must be in control of your vehicle at all times (not a gray area, just way too broad). Also the other driver (in CA anyway) is required to fill out an SR-1 if the total damages for any and all involved is more than $1000, if anyone was injured even slightly, and of course anyone killed. I got nailed on that SR-1 thing even though the ins co was handling everything smoothly. My license was temporarily suspended until the report was received.

The point is the other driver bears some responsibility in at least some fashion. The OP here was fortunate to get a not-at-fault designation, but that don't mean siht to the ins co, just no points assigned to the NAF driver. BTW, the other driver getting a reckless driving citation would earn him 2 points.

AFA insurance goes, there is not enough of a chance recovering through subrogation for damages, so they let it go. Even $13,000 isn't much when lawyers get involved.

To make this a hit and run doesn't quite fit, but I speak as a Californian and am not cognizant of AZ vehicle law.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

... a local 88M (truck driver) from the national guard. It was pretty easy to find his facebook with him and the car in question. I am debating going to speak with his CoC... What a dirt bag.

...

do you want somebody like that defending your country and your community?

yes, talk to the CoC

[Por_sha911]

Too bad you weren't in San Francisco. You could have reported the accident and stated the other driver had a plastic straw. There would have been a SWAT team out in minutes.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I'm not sure why no one has asked about rear ending a car and then blaming it on the other driver.

I was in the HOV lane. Legally mind you. There was 2 of us!
copper said he probably didn't have two people in the car, and ran to avoid that ticket, along with failure to control vehicle ticket, and automatically at fault... This pos was in the wrong, and very very in the wrong...

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by RWebb

do you want somebody like that defending your country and your community?

yes, talk to the CoC

*cough* community. My mother sent me a picture last weekend of the national guard. two soldiers on top of an APC at a stop light without ach's, and one had a foam drink cup in hand... Can't even touch that on AD.
I need to start making phone calls to local NG units...
Your solider lost his license plate, could you give it back to him...

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

I was in the HOV lane. Legally mind you. There was 2 of us!
copper said he probably didn't have two people in the car, and ran to avoid that ticket, along with failure to control vehicle ticket, and automatically at fault... This pos was in the wrong, and very very in the wrong...

So, are you agreeing with me or no? I can't tell. Wrong, at fault and no fault are all very different concepts. Wrong is tort. Tort is a civil wrong. Do you intend to sue the other driver for personal (civil) damages? Tort ain't gonna give him any points.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Yeah, that really sucks. I know way, way too many people with similar stories. They suffer real loss, there is an easily identifiable (and apprehended) suspect, and our police simply cannot be arsed to even look into it. Doesn't make the jurisdiction any money. It's far more profitable to have our finest sitting on their dead asses with RADAR guns, filling the coffers. And they wonder why good, hard working tax paying citizens have so little respect for them anymore.

I agree.

Like i've said before in PARF. When the mp's inside the gate have beat to crap cruisers, and you go outside the gates and you see the cities running around in brand new Ford's, and Cheb's with ghost decals. You have to question why...

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Zeke

So, are you agreeing with me or no? I can't tell. Wrong, at fault and no fault are all very different concepts. Wrong is tort. Tort is a civil wrong. Do you intend to sue the other driver for personal (civil) damages? Tort ain't gonna give him any points.

It's water off a ducks back if the insurance decides not to pursue him... I will still prolly follow up with his CoC for some accountablity. I do not have the time, nor harbor the desire to sue. I would like to haze the **** out of him for being a dirt bag. But beyond that. What's the point.


I agree with you completely. It's a gray area, and I honestly do not know where I stand myself. I try to think of it as a person stepping in front of a train at the subway. Nothing the train can do, but that person decided to do something stupid...

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I'm not sure why no one has asked about rear ending a car and then blaming it on the other driver. From what I know here in CA, and having been licensed and driving for nearly 60 years, the car in front might get a ticket for reckless driving and/or causing an accident (very gray area and hard to prove). However, the car behind usually gets the blame as the law states that you must be in control of your vehicle at all times (not a gray area, just way too broad). Also the other driver (in CA anyway) is required to fill out an SR-1 if the total damages for any and all involved is more than $1000, if anyone was injured even slightly, and of course anyone killed. I got nailed on that SR-1 thing even though the ins co was handling everything smoothly. My license was temporarily suspended until the report was received.

The point is the other driver bears some responsibility in at least some fashion. The OP here was fortunate to get a not-at-fault designation, but that don't mean siht to the ins co, just no points assigned to the NAF driver. BTW, the other driver getting a reckless driving citation would earn him 2 points.

AFA insurance goes, there is not enough of a chance recovering through subrogation for damages, so they let it go. Even $13,000 isn't much when lawyers get involved.

To make this a hit and run doesn't quite fit, but I speak as a Californian and am not cognizant of AZ vehicle law.

I remember many years ago when your situation in California made news all the way up here in Washington. Apparently, at the time your state laws held the driver of the following vehicle "responsible" in any and all "rear end" collisions.

It was at the point where insurance scammers were diving in and cutting off other drivers on the freeways, locking up their brakes, and causing rear end collisions. There was absolutely no recourse under California law at that time for the following driver who "rear ended" the car in front of them.

The California state legislature reportedly addressed this and changed the law. This was 20-30 years ago, at least.

[Arizona_928]

That's what my insurance adjuster said before the report came out. 100% at fault for any rear ending. I am lucky the police report says I did not do any wrong doing, and the fleeing SOB made an "unsafe lane change". I have a good witness. Bonus is the police report is written in 7th grade english with misspellings... explains why no follow up with the plate...

I still feel bad usaa is going to be eating this. I hope they recover something...

[jcommin]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Yeah, that really sucks. I know way, way too many people with similar stories. They suffer real loss, there is an easily identifiable (and apprehended) suspect, and our police simply cannot be arsed to even look into it. Doesn't make the jurisdiction any money. It's far more profitable to have our finest sitting on their dead asses with RADAR guns, filling the coffers. And they wonder why good, hard working tax paying citizens have so little respect for them anymore.

Or they have connections - I'm going thru the same crap: hit run/run, 911 call, no arrest, no report, no informtion. sounds fishy, you bet. I got photos and video from my neighbor. I track the owner, plates, car, address and phonee number. No help from the Police. If want the 911 call, I can get it from the Freedom of Informtion act.

My car is a total loss - I had the vehicle for 4 months, the shortest amount of time I ever owned a car. Now for the fun part - car shopping. Heavy sigh.

[wdfifteen]

A friend of mine scraped a car in a parking lot. He waited around to see if the owner would show up so he could own up to it. The owner came out, my friend started talking, and the owner punched him in the face - broke his nose.
If I scrape someone's car I'm just leaving a note.