So was Voat.
They thought it was because of exposing child sex/etc rings involving the (((elite))).
(which has turned out to be very true..cough Epstein)

And now the FBI makes even referring to conspiracy theories illegal:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html

So the 1A is now null and void I guess.
How is that "freedom" going?

A new government-sanitized internet society will remain, leaving behind only kitten pics and approved talk for all.
Welcome to 1984 China and social credit scoring. Slave.

Where have I made a "straw man" argument? What is "ridiculous" about wanting to remove especially destructive weapons from circulation, as other countries have done?

And, as always, why do you have to rely on personal attacks? Why can't you have a discussion like an adult?

Might want to actually read the article you cited. It does not say anything close to what you claim.

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If we change any, it should be the 8th. Stop killing the shooters and let them have some cruel and unusual punishment for a few months. Then drop the body at the landfill. For some of these shooters, suicide is the answer and they do it in a "grand" fashion. Make it not so grand.

The mideast has a ban on bombings, there are still al of of suicide bombers out there. Someone with ill intent will use whatever is cheap and easy. Might be a rifle, might be a truck. Might be a tanker truck full of gasoline. Might be a stolen airplane.

Did you read it?
It's right there in plain language.

Here, I'll highlight some parts for you:
"The FBI intelligence bulletin from the bureau’s Phoenix field office, dated May 30, 2019, describes “conspiracy theory-driven domestic extremists,” as a growing threat, and notes that it is the first such report to do so. It lists a number of arrests, including some that haven’t been publicized, related to violent incidents motivated by fringe beliefs.

The document specifically mentions QAnon, a shadowy network that believes in a deep state conspiracy against President Trump, and Pizzagate, the theory that a pedophile ring including Clinton associates was being run out of the basement of a Washington, D.C., pizza restaurant (which didn’t actually have a basement)".


If there exists any Constitution left, then this is overtly anti-Constitutional.

I have a hard time understanding that. I have a hard time understanding killing someone that you know well for BS reasons not being considered "crazy". The insanity plea, I'm sure, requires that certain criteria be met, possibly, "I didn't know it was wrong to kill someone" or "I didn't understand that decapitation would lead to death" or "the voices made me do it." But, that doesn't change the fact that a normal/sane person doesn't kill someone else for silly minor reasons. They may be mostly sane, but that's just not a normal thing.

What's even more crazy is killing large numbers of random/unknown/innocent people for crazy reasons.

You are one of the people that would not pass a mental health test to own a gun.

A shooter with a semi auto shotgun, tube extension and 00 buckshot could do roughly the same thing in close quarters. This shooter never should have been able to buy a gun of any sort. Limiting his selection wouldn't change what he did, and in this situation the outcome likely wouldn't have changed. Ultimately it still goes down as a mass shooting in the books. We need to do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of people who want to cause mass casualties. But even taking the gun away won't stop some from doing what they want. Doing "something" just to say we're doing something isn't a recipe for success.

Here's the problems that I see with that:

How do you define assault weapon? The ones that look like an AR15 or AK47? What about the ones that look like hunting rifles that have detachable magazines and shoot the same ammo? That's a lot of guns and you'll start encroaching on guns that get used for hunting or varmint control.

Let's say you ban the guns. You think people will turn them in? Nope, not many.

Let's say you ban them and everyone turns them in. What will stop the next nutjob from using a semi-auto pistol? They are just as deadly and fire as often as you can pull the trigger. Going to ban all of those and round them up?

Let's say you succeed in that. What then stops the nutjobs from using shotguns? Those are pretty deadly, from what I can tell.

See where this is going?

I don't think banning any of them will accomplish much. Too many of them out there. That cat has left the bag and you'll never see it again.

The NSA has a data center in Utah that is the repository for information about all of us. What they collect and store there would scare you. Read about it here:

https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/

I happen to believe that, if the feds wanted to, they could root out these *******s ahead of time, or at least some of them, as they almost always have a disturbing digital footprint.

Whether or not legislation could be passed that would allow us to identify these people ahead of time, without running afoul of the constitution, I leave to others to discuss. We could always break the law and search the database anyway, the FBI and CIA have been doing that for years anyway. Just don't tell congress or the media.

4A vs NSA.

Giving raw data to foreign countries like Israel and Five Eyes?
The new head appointed by Trump is a hard core Zionist with questionable patriotism and honesty.

Right now they are just the backdoor tool and used to steal proprietary corporate secrets here and abroad.
Snowden showed us what they can do.
Why would anyone keep a pet tiger?

They should be shut down as redundant.
FBI is already domestic and CIA is foreign.

The uncomfortable aspect of these discussions, after people are killed by obviously disturbed people, is and will always be the "why", the motive and the tipping point that makes plausible the act of murdering people.

There is no archetype, no handy "these are the bad guys" algorithm...I will posit that drugs and other societal factors play a large roll but more needs to be done in those areas.

The urge to act, to "ban" something quickly follows. We all know how well the War on Drugs/Terror/Poverty/Abortion/Etc. worked. The Assault Weapons Ban ftw?

Banning anything is a fools errand, proven: nothing ups the desirability of a commodity more than a good intentioned banning.

What we are left with, then, is root cause, the sticky stuff, the uncomfortable discussions of the "why" beyond the arrow, the gun. Try to have that discussion.

A major part of the problem is that gun culture has been Hollywoodized. When I was growing up hunting, we never talked about guns or showed our guns or did anything but hunt with them and clean them.

Now we have a Hollywood gun culture where guns are bragging rights and man jewelry. Today, guys have to show off their guns to be cool, to get that little serotonin rush. Makes me sick.

Homicide rates have been dropping since the 1990's.

A lot of you guys are trying to change the direction of the homicide rate; yet failing to realize that changing the direction of the homicide rate would increase homicides.

Put on the brakes and THINK.

A Henry (or similar) lever action in .44 would have lots of rounds in the mag and you can top off as you go.

Gun violence has been glorified to the point of absurdity in movies, video games.

The solution to all ills is a gun, a weapon, with endless magazines and bullets that dance like Nureyev.

Start with any movie that glorifies gun violence getting an R rating...then follow with an R rating on all first person shooter games.

Tell me why not.

When did depicting brains being splattered across a room become art?

Yep, change it to not apply only to shooters of random strangers, or school shootings or some logical way that the 8th still applies to every other crime, just not mass killings, either with a gun, bomb, truck, or whatever. And the press just needs to agree to never use the name of the shooter, ever. The police report would list them as low life killer number whatever.

In school (late 70s early 80s) we talked about what caliber and grain we used for deer hunting. We also compared the size of the rack on the buck we got and how long we sat to wait for it.

Now days, everyone gets what they want as soon as they want it. Everyone gets a trophy without working for it. They all want $50 an hour for a do nothing job. Then they don't know how to deal with life after they grow to adulthood. Some never grow up. I bet a lot of these kids were all coddled and the parent always gave in when the kid threw a fit.

Weapons bans work great. No other first world country on earth has the problems we have with mass shootings. All of them have strict controls and bans and on weapons. Their populations use the same internet, watch the same violent movies, and play the same video games as we do. And yet, not a single one of those countries has the same epidemic of mass shootings as we do. Not a single one.