Not sure if this is the exact quote but... those who are willing to give up liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Hmm.

Do we want to reverse the direction?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565035883.jpg

conspiracy theorists who reveal themselves on the internet will be the first to have their inanimate objects be confiscated. you have reason to be afraid.

Good.

There are avenues of redress to Amend the Constitution. Use them. Be smart and I will support.

Here with links and smart folks:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/on-the-two-mass-shootings.php

I favor any gun control measure that’s consistent with the Second Amendment and that the evidence shows is likely to prevent mentally disturbed people from obtaining the kinds of weapons used in mass shootings. I imagine there are such measures, but leave it to those who have studied the issue carefully to say what, if any, they are.

Seahawk.

A start would be households where if a family member has access to a home and has been prescribed certain prescribed drugs that those in the household would have to not own guns.

These mass shootings have certain prescribed drugs in common. Even if the youth is restricted from having guns, they can still steal them from a family member.

Perhaps we could also evaluate these drugs and other aspects of the users lives, and how we treat them.

In a more general sense.

People are being worked into a frenzy over news coverage on a small percentage of murders; then whipped into a frenzy of how gun crime needs to be fixed. Reality is that most of our gun crime is from gangs within a few cities within a few neighborhoods; reality is that murder rates have been going down. (Although in these neighborhoods, it has been going up.)

Do we want to enact drastic change in the face of facts that murder rates have been going down?

A much, MUCH bigger concern - suicide is going up.

I see you used it incorrectly. I said something you didn’t understand and had no counter argument for. In fact you used it exactly backwards.

Better luck next time.

I don’t want this to be lost at the end of the previous page.

Suicide-by-gun and self-defense included in those stats?
(I bet they are)

Terry, point out the personal attack in that post. Oh, and you have pretty much done nothing but toss out strawman arguments
.
Shaun, he is right, you are wrong.

It is becoming more and more apparent that the trouble with "Shaun and PARF" is not so much PARF. It is possible to disagree and not be disagreeable.


For some people it is anyway.

We basically hear specifics and high detail about a high percentage of long rifle deaths and little reporting and little or no detail about handgun shooting details even though handguns are by far the weapon of choice for a murderer .

Yes. They are homicide

Justifiable homicide is at about the same percentage


https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-14.xls

+1

I think the last stat I read on suicides were 125 a day.

In the big compromise of everything. More people die from auto accidents then gun violence. It's a big ole red herring to focus purely on gun control deaths when there's soo many other big death dealers out there. Media focusing and airing these incidents don't help. Yet the main liberal stations run with it because it gets views, and generates money. Gun control, and mass shootings is good business for them.

It's even to the point where conservatives here will switch sides. I'll reiterate the constitution for you guys that forgot. "shall not be infringed".
I'll leave you guys with Uk's ban of handguns in the 1990's as a final thought... How is that working out for them? Acid and culinary knives are a gruesome alternative to gun violence... A tool is a tool...

People love to say this but you're making this claim based on what exactly? Because it feels right?

People that have actually studied the association of violent video games and movies and actual violence do not agree.

I cant find any suicide data on the FBI site. Suicide is technically a homicide but it may not be included in the FBI data. Not sure right now.

meanwhile, in England...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565037649.JPG

I'm just saying; first the guns, and then the knives are banned. I mean Bahahanned.

Show the data. The studies are weak.

Combine visual violence with the drugging of young men...you willing to bet this is not an issue?

You're right we shouldn't take steps to lessen the occurrence and severity of gun violence just like auto accidents.

Except for:

-Licensing
-Registration
-Training
-Insurance
-Testing

Oh wait...

https://eml.berkeley.edu/~sdellavi/wp/moviescrimeQJEProofs2009.pdf

Weak based on what?

By elimination suicide is not in the FBI stats on homicide.

45,000 per year with half by firearm. So 22,500 which is higher than the total homicides listed in the FBI database.

So...self defense yes, suicide no.