Once again, the OT liberals that so detest politics (damn PARF) once again cannot let a tragedy go to waste and start their political rants....blaming their political foes vice the actual perpetrator. Soon, they will get hurt feelings because their arguments suck (largely devoid of facts and reason) and they will call for a moderator to intervene. How cute.

Nothing sadder than a bunch of self-loathing old white guys blaming being white (and /or some sort of inanimate object) for some atrocity. Racism and bigotry IMHO.


When postulating the difference between today and previous generations...blaming race or the availability of legal guns is obviously not rational as there is less availability of legal guns/ammo in this nation today than any time in my life. There have always been mass murders....using everything from knives/guns to cars and pressure cookers. Even aircraft. The thing that has changed is the culture. Computer gaming and TV/movies with heroes that have loose morals...and a proliferation of psychotropic drugs. An entire generation (or three) have been raised on them (as a coping mechanism).

Plenty of access to guns since this country was founded. Country boys always had guns and were taught to use/respect them. To them, killing things is a serious business and final. Current shooters are sissified city boys playing out some video game that resets in the end and you get another game. They are just trying to get a piece of the media fame they prize because mommy and daddy don't love them (and because the everyone gets a trophy stuff ended when they became young adults).

Here's a crazy idea! How about rather than trying to blame Trump, people suggest things that might actually prevent this kind of thing from happening? You know... rather than play politics with this, average people come together and makes suggestions. I know... talking here won't get it done but rather than blame one side or the other, it would be a hell of a lot more productive as well as less divisive.
Some good things have been touched on here... right up until politics entered the discussion. Why not focus on and expand upon that?

Speaking of which, I don't see anything "white trash" about that shooter dude in the video stills - he just looks like a typical young dweeb to me.

I suggest that all nerdy male youths (teens to mid/upper 20s, since males are now suckling from their mamas' teats later and later in life), regardless of color, be rounded up and detained until it can be determined that their inferiority complexes aren't at levels which threaten the general public (the pencildicked ones will need to be held indefinitely, of course!).

Nearly all of these mass shootings have been done by young men that are isolated or have been disassociated from greater society, and are typically described as being loners. This has been going on since the 1980's and it seems to be accelerating. On-line everything serves in many cases as a complete substitute for the binding institutions of society like church, social organizations, clubs, local sports leagues, etc,, even the family unit. Many of them find each other on line and self-reinforce their crazy thoughts and anger at society in general. I don't see this getting any better anytime soon, it will probably get much worse. I also don't see any answer as resources of a cohesive society shrink away. More government programs will have no real effect except spend more money on the wrong things.

Just a lot of cynical politicians making political hay on the mess. And taking all the guns and ammo is a silly idea considering US history and the overwhelming number of guns freely circulating in this country. It is clearly impossible and not worthy of serious discussion and a complete waste of time except to push another agenda.

The problem is the young men afflicted by their self-destructive personalities.

I haven't read most of this thread....but I'll say this....when 30-60 rounds are regularly unloaded into a house here now...even if no one is killed...

That's a mass shooting :(

Local university homecomings lately...somebody's probably gonna get shot that night....at a party :(.

We have a people problem, we have a psych med problem, we have a gun problem, we have a media problem, we have a political problem...like never in my lifetime imo....and here we are :(.

I'm sure I forgot a few too...oh yeah...social media :(

Freakin' Russians or China...why not?

Your original statement. " Originally Posted by island911 View Post
Curious, how did you describe the Black mass murderer from hours before? Black trash? Just curious." My answer was and is that I didn't describe him. Different subject.

Nick, that is just crazy talk. Dad, also cray, cray. Pretty sure that makes me also crazy, but not criminally insane. Do you see the difference there Denis?
There is that, oh and the whole written in black and white in the US Constitution thing.

practically transparent
You can just shut up.
Okay you need to quit now

See Varmint, you need to be willing to accept reasonable restrictions to the argument because, reasons.

Boston Marathon deal, also off limits. That Unabomber guy and the Atlanta Olympics thing, like forever ago, so forget those too

Now that is definitely racist.
Also racist, but I like your shoes, estate sale?
Okay, this is racist for sure, but it is true. I think that means everyone who just read that line is now racist, you nefarious genius.

Trying to determine motive and then enhancing or mitigating punishment based on this determination is foolish

es Verdat

I am inclined to think it is vitally important. Humans are not made to be solitary animals, yet that is the world we have created for them.

You guys are winning this discussion, as long as you get to score yourselves. You know, using PARF rules.

A couple weeks ago, I was saying and writing that Trump has the next election in the bag. Now I’m not so sure with his mouth and twitter finger out of control. He might beat himself yet.

Enemies of democracy is more accurate. If the stated intent is to incite a race war or other violence, then it should be illegal.

No, you just voted or and enabled a racist. Doesn't make you a racist, but it doesn't put you in good company either.

Totally...Well except for:

Mir Aimal Kasi
Ramzi Yousef
Rashid Baz
Ali Hassan Abu Kamal
Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer
Lafi Khalil
Mazin Assi
Mohamed Atta
Abdulaziz al-Omari
Wail al-Shehri
Waleed al-Shehri
Satam al-Suqami
Marwan al-Shehhi
Fayez Banihammad
Mohand al-Shehri
Hamza al-Ghamdi
Ahmed al-Ghamdi
Hani Hanjour
Khalid al-Mihdhar
Majed Moqed
Nawaf al-Hazmi
Salem al-Hazmi
Ziad Jarrah
Ahmed al-Haznawi
Ahmed al-Nami
Saeed al-Ghamdi
Richard Reid
Abdullah al-Muhajir
Hesham Mohamed Hadayet
John Allen Muhammad
Lee Boyd Malvo
Iyman Faris
Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar
Naveed Afzal Haq
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad
Nidal Malik Hasan
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab
Faisal Shahzad
Farooque Ahmed
Yonathan Melaku
Mohamed Osman Mohamud
Mohanad Shareef Hammadi
Waad Ramadan Alwan
Floyd Lee Corkins
Chris Dorner
Tamerlan Tsarnaev
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev
Ali Muhammad Brown
Alton Alexander
Zale Thompson
Elton Simpson
Nadir Hamid Soofi
Abdul Malik Abdul Kareem
Usaama Rahim
Abu Hamza al-Amriki
Anwar al-Awlaki
Abdullah Ramo Pazara
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez
Faisal Mohammad
Rizwan Farook
Tashfeen Malik
Mohamed Barry
Omar Mateen
Micah Xavier Johnson
Wasil Farooqui
Dahir Adan
Ahmad Khan Rahimi
Abdul Razak Ali Artan
Emanuel Kidega Samson
Sayfullo Saipov
Marckles Alcius
DeWayne Craddock
Gary Montez Martin
Juan Lopez
Snochia Moseley
Omar Santa Perez
Dwight Lamon Jones
Nasim Najafi Aghdam
Albert Wong
Henry Michael Bello
Cory Godbolt
Kori Ali Muhammad
Esteban Santiago-Ruiz
Arcan Cetin
Gavin Eugene Long
Cheron Shelton
Robert Thomas
Jaylen Ray Fryberg
John Samir Zawahri
Aaron Alexis
One L. Goh
Brian Uyesugi
Jiverly Antares Wong
Eduardo Sencion
Jeffery Weise
Seung-Hui Cho
Colin Ferguson
Omar Thornton
Chai Vang
Gang Lu

But yeah, other than those folks...

:rolleyes:

What would ever lead you to conclude Trump was a racist? Doesn't necessarily make you a fool, but it doesn't put you in good company either.

I was waiting for Speeder to call someone a racist. It's his go to on most threads. :rolleyes:

Why isn't this thread in PARF where it belongs?

While I don't know if Trump is an actual racist or bigot (no absolutely certain evidence of that that I've seen), it sure seems that he enjoys making people think that he is (the whole, rile people up with outlandish, stoopid, and often blatantly false commentary whenever he can, for his own personal amusement - the primary reason he wanted to be POTUS, after all). And maybe some of that is a strategic ploy on his part to gain the white supremacists' votes (the sheer numbers of those in America is probably far greater than anyone estimates - including the closeted ones).


Hush! If moved there, I won't be able to read and participate in it! :)

Yep...this one needs to be in PARF.

edited: One post too late....let Runnie continue in PARF ;)!

Because it doesn't belong there. There is nothing political about someone going off the deep end and shooting a bunch of people. Overly political people choose to politicize the issue. It sickens me how people speculate about the race and political affiliation of someone when they do something like this. Crazy knows no one political group. Hate doesn't reside in one political group more than another.

Ha ha - yer alright, ya' big ol' bisch!!! :D