Terminator: Dark Fate

[Rodsrsr]

Hard pass for me. No interest in seeing two geriatrics, a he-she and a small chick hunting down a terminator that looks like a Home depot employee. Too much SJW messaging for my taste. So far it's bombing anyway.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by biosurfer1

You guys who liked it seem to be in the minority.

Apparently it's heading for a terrible opening weekend.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/11/02/box-office-james-cameron-and-tim-millers-terminator-dark-fate-starring-linda-hamilton-and-arnold-schwarzenegger-bombs-with-apocalyptic-11-million-friday/#5eb65d415a3e

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

Hard pass for me. No interest in seeing two geriatrics, a he-she and a small chick hunting down a terminator that looks like a Home depot employee. Too much SJW messaging for my taste. So far it's bombing anyway.

I've also read some negative comments about the movie and to be fair there is some "SJW messaging".
Some reviewers have compared it to the Disney Star Wars movies in this regard.

Does it detract from the movie? It depends on how you feel about the message.
It didn't bother me. I just enjoyed the movie for what it was.

It's not as good as Terminator 2, Judgement day but it's still a decent effort.

[Nickshu]

Saw it tonight. Pretty good overall. Definitely the best Terminator movie since T2. A couple cheesy scenes but I enjoyed the movie.

I didn't pickup the SJW messaging...maybe I am too dense...Do you mean the all female hero cast (less Arnold) vs. the male new Terminator?

[JavaBrewer]

Saw it last night. First half of the movie rocked...mind blowing. Then it got stupid, and recovered, to be an ok experience as we walked out for burgers and a beer. Was hoping for more...but we're talking and old school reboot that was not crap so I'll take it.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Nickshu

Saw it tonight. Pretty good overall. Definitely the best Terminator movie since T2. A couple cheesy scenes but I enjoyed the movie.

I didn't pickup the SJW messaging...maybe I am too dense...Do you mean the all female hero cast (less Arnold) vs. the male new Terminator?

According to some reviewers on YouTube the movie is all about identity politics/SJW messaging.
The same has been said about all of the Disney Star Wars movies and lately the Star Trek reboot has come under fire.
They're even bagging movies like Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel.

Honestly I find them annoying and I'd describe them as man babies.

Here's an example. (626,305 views since Oct 28)

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by Nickshu

Saw it tonight. Pretty good overall. Definitely the best Terminator movie since T2. A couple cheesy scenes but I enjoyed the movie.

I didn't pickup the SJW messaging...maybe I am too dense...Do you mean the all female hero cast (less Arnold) vs. the male new Terminator?

A lot has been made about there being almost no males in the film being portrayed positively, showing strength or leadership (the brother is a flirt/womanizer, the sickly father concedes his daughter is in charge, Carl is taking care of a single mom that was abused by a man, Grace starts by beating up four male authority figures and takes the clothes of the guy trying to help her, symbolically emasculating him.

And much has been made of the fact that the new savior of the human race is a minority female rather than a white male, like John Conner, and that unlike Sarah, she's more than a vessel for male power. I've seen a couple of female reviewers point out that Hamilton showed the beginnings of becoming a badass by the end of the first film and was convincingly one in the second, while the actress playing Dani never quite pulls that off.

[GH85Carrera]

OK, as a clueless old codger, I am guessing SJW or SWJ or whatever is women beating up men again. It does get old, seeing the the insane physics of a 98 pound woman punch a 260 pound muscled up man and knock him backwards several feet. The old action reaction thing just makes it physically impossible, but movies are just make believe. We are supposed to believe a lone women can whip group of trained body guards.

I have to admit, I am real ready for that phase to move on, and have men be men again. Of course for years the women were helpless, and the ALWAYS fell down when running from the bad guy. That was silly as well.

Every single TV comedy it is the white man that is the total buffoon or creep, that just breaks everything and never fixes anything. That is like having the Nazi ans the really evil bad guy that everyone can hate. Now days the movies all portray CIA employees are almost always the most vile humans ever, worse than Nazis, intent on causing mass death and destruction just to make money.

No doubt at all, I will see the new Terminator, when it is on HBO or Amazon.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

OK, as a clueless old codger, I am guessing SJW or SWJ or whatever is women beating up men again. It does get old, seeing the the insane physics of a 98 pound woman punch a 260 pound muscled up man and knock him backwards several feet. The old action reaction thing just makes it physically impossible, but movies are just make believe. We are supposed to believe a lone women can whip group of trained body guards.

I have to admit, I am real ready for that phase to move on, and have men be men again. Of course for years the women were helpless, and the ALWAYS fell down when running from the bad guy. That was silly as well.

Every single TV comedy it is the white man that is the total buffoon or creep, that just breaks everything and never fixes anything. That is like having the Nazi ans the really evil bad guy that everyone can hate. Now days the movies all portray CIA employees are almost always the most vile humans ever, worse than Nazis, intent on causing mass death and destruction just to make money.

No doubt at all, I will see the new Terminator, when it is on HBO or Amazon.

SJW = Social Justice Warriors

"Social justice warrior" (SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially progressive views, including feminism, civil rights, and multiculturalism, as well as identity politics. The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and engaging in disingenuous arguments.

The phrase originated in the late 20th century as a neutral or positive term for people engaged in social justice activism. In 2011, when the term first appeared on Twitter, it changed from a primarily positive term to an overwhelmingly negative one. During the Gamergate controversy, the negative connotation gained increased use, and was particularly aimed at those espousing views adhering to social liberalism, cultural inclusivity, or feminism, as well as views deemed to be politically correct.

[GH85Carrera]

OK, so the explanation of SJW that only is understood by the folks in the know.

I have never heard of Gamergate, and I truly can't care less about what is is. I will guess someone was cheating in on-line games. What a shock. And every scandal gets gate stuck on it for whatever reason. Watergate was not the the only, or the first, biggest, or most scandalous scandal of all time.

I still don't understand what ignoring physics (Newton's Third Law) or the most obvious and plain old common sense has to do with SJW in movies. I can accept with no doubt Captain Marvel the female with super powers can punch a guy and make him fly backwards and slam into a wall and slide down it. That a regular human would survive that is silly.

Show me one woman that can go even one round with the average male professional boxer or even talented amateur boxer. They don't exist. Lots of women could whip me, but I am old fat man that has not had a fight since my finally beat my older brother when I was 15.

[911Ghia]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

According to some reviewers on YouTube the movie is all about identity politics/SJW messaging.
The same has been said about all of the Disney Star Wars movies and lately the Star Trek reboot has come under fire.
They're even bagging movies like Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel.

Honestly I find them annoying and I'd describe them as man babies.

Here's an example. (626,305 views since Oct 28)

Thanks for introducing me to the ‘Critical Drinker’.........spent way too much time there and will again ;-)

Rich

[john70t]

I was almost thinking about seeing it in a theatre at first, but everything starts to add up:
Weak pajama boy Terminator. No John Connor. Not even reference to epic carryover of post-nuke Skynet starting production and humans recovering into resistance tribes. Seriously nothing there but a big steaming hole pulsing onto the screen. That writer's strike is still going on apparently.

Even Star Wars made filler movies to plug the gaps in the plot continuum to bring it all together.

Awesome special effects can't save bad writing with a social agenda much of the country doesn't want. Going back to Hitchcock the rule can be 'less is more' and a little suspense and plot twists goes a long way. Everyone has seen Michael Bay enough times to be dulled to big colorful explosions throughout the entire movie or hit points and physics that don't make any sense at all. Yawn. Seen it.

It looks like a background movie to watch if I'm bored, but that is about it.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

I've also read some negative comments about the movie and to be fair there is some "SJW messaging".
Some reviewers have compared it to the Disney Star Wars movies in this regard.

Does it detract from the movie? It depends on how you feel about the message.
It didn't bother me. I just enjoyed the movie for what it was.

It's not as good as Terminator 2, Judgement day but it's still a decent effort.

Ignorance is bliss.

I really wish I could be ignorant of the "culture war".

Now I judge things in ways I never would have a few years ago.
I wish I didn't, but there do seem to be real folks in charge at corporations that sweep away the good and bring in their bungee changes.

The real problem, is when anyone takes a "side" on this, they aren't focusing on entertainment anymore. Why do people go to movies?...

I also think there are times people are looking at harmless old ladies and crying out "Witch!!!!"
But at other times, the witches seem real.

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Show me one woman that can go even one round with the average male professional boxer or even talented amateur boxer. They don't exist. Lots of women could whip me, but I am old fat man that has not had a fight since my finally beat my older brother when I was 15.

Sometimes movies address this. There's a scene in Hobbes and Shaw where The Rock is fighting a Hattie Shaw, and while the scene shows her as quite skilled, she was also pretty ineffectual against someone twice her size. The fight ends when she tries an arm bar and he simply stands there with her dangling off his arm.

https://youtu.be/UgRcmrnyB3Y

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by 911Ghia

Thanks for introducing me to the ‘Critical Drinker’.........spent way too much time there and will again ;-)

Rich

He's a riot but after a while it gets tiring. His Joker review is good though. He's not always negative about new movies.

[dan79brooklyn]

It’s rated R.
I don’t remember the other films being that graphic.
I thought my kids could see it, but maybe not?
They’re 6 and 12.

Edit...T2 had an R rating. Maybe because of ****

[Deschodt]

It was surprisingly good. Ignore the critics. Go to a matinée if you are worried about the expense.

I took my 8+12y old to see it and they were riveted to their seat the entire time - that never happens, the young one gets bored. They're too young to have ever seen another Terminator movie and the relentlessness of the machine chasing the humans was a new thing for them (I tried to show them T1, OMG it aged so badly in terms of special effects!!!)

Perfectly Ok movie. (there is a john connor scene in it actually, and they explain what "changed"). It's not oscar material but it was solid entertainment.

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

Perfectly Ok movie. (there is a john connor scene in it actually, and they explain what "changed"). It's not oscar material but it was solid entertainment.

That's kind of a thing now - trying to force significance into old popcorn films. The Terminator franchise is about unstoppable robots trying to kill people. It's not a commentary on our relationship with technology, technology's impact on the global economy, or humanity's self-destructive nature.

Instead, they're about some poor slob running for his/her life while a robot tries to kill them, with a big finale in an industrial setting that just happens to have the equipment to capitalize on the robot's weakness, and in an shocking twist the person sent back to help is connected to the slob in some way!

Trying to send some "message" is how the franchise goes off track.

[Steve Carlton]

I like the original the best.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by epbrown

That's kind of a thing now - trying to force significance into old popcorn films. The Terminator franchise is about unstoppable robots trying to kill people. It's not a commentary on our relationship with technology, technology's impact on the global economy, or humanity's self-destructive nature.

Instead, they're about some poor slob running for his/her life while a robot tries to kill them, with a big finale in an industrial setting that just happens to have the equipment to capitalize on the robot's weakness, and in an shocking twist the person sent back to help is connected to the slob in some way!

Trying to send some "message" is how the franchise goes off track.

Bingo, just make an entertaining movie. Sure, if you're making Roots or Schindlers list or something, great, have a message, but I don't need or want a message in a pure fantasy/sci-fi action flick. Loud sounds, bright lights, explosions, fighting, etc....

[masraum]

Originally Posted by epbrown

Sometimes movies address this. There's a scene in Hobbes and Shaw where The Rock is fighting a Hattie Shaw, and while the scene shows her as quite skilled, she was also pretty ineffectual against someone twice her size. The fight ends when she tries an arm bar and he simply stands there with her dangling off his arm.

https://youtu.be/UgRcmrnyB3Y

My inner 12 year old really enjoyed that movie. But then I find the Rock and Statham both pretty entertaining.