Counterfeit stuff on Amazon

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co

I'm knocking. Just like watches, it's tough to tell from a few feet and they still operate properly.

no

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by greglepore

Its becoming a problem that Jeff should pay attention to. I've had it happen with a number of things lately. Birkenstock was so pissed they stopped selling to Amazon, so Amazon began to buy from retailers to resell.

They claim they can't police it. Eventually the public is going to revolt.

It’s a problem that very many people in the company are very much aware of and working hard to stop. As others mentioned when you are dealing with millions of sellers, it’s very much like playing wack a mole.




My best advice to all of you is that if you get something that appears counterfeit, contact CS, tell them you got a counterfeit item and you’ll get your money back quickly, and that seller will be dealt with quickly.


Like others have mentioned, we also order stuff 3-4 times a week and I’ve never had an issue.

[mattdavis11]

Same crap as McDonalds, over 1,XXX,XXX,XXX served, and people think it's a real hamburger. Wake up!

[unclebilly]

Originally Posted by Vipergrün

Many of you will remember my post about my sons invention, Moki Doorstep, his Kickstarter campaign and appearance on Shark Tank with the biggest deal ever. Counterfeits on Amazon have killed him and potential of business and revenue. Amazon appears to not care and tens of thousands of dollars have been spent fighting the knockoffs. Patents do not matter to these people. If you want some perspective, watch "Invalidated" and don't buy counterfeit crap!

I remember your post, and I recall that you said he had a patent (or filed an application, I can’t recall which). At the time I wondered what was patentable in his design.

I’m assuming he has a utility patent?

A step with a hook on it that attaches to a loop isn’t really new or novel. A swim ladder for a boat that has a loop that hangs over the gunnel is basically the same thing (in the eyes of the patent office).

So if he got a utility patent on the apparatus, it’s on thin ice and if he tried to sue someone and it went to court, it would likely be invalidated. Of course it all comes down to his claim set.

If the patent is a method patent of hanging a step from part of the the door latch mechanism of an automobile and then using said step to load cargo onto the roof of the automobile, the infringers are not the manufacturers - they are the users. They also should be using the method in a commercial manner (as part of a business) to establish damages.

If he got a design patent, this pertains to the stying and form of the design. All they had to do is make theirs look different but they could perform the same function in the exact same manner.

Of course, a US patent only applies within the USA. You need to file and be granted a patent in each and every country that you want protection.

Also, a patent is merely a license to sue infringers. There aren’t really any patent police out there.

So - was he successful getting his patent granted? What type of patent did he get? Care to provide the patent number (this is all part of the public record)?

[Rusty Heap]

Daymond John, "Mr. Fubu" and one of Shark Tank's most notorious self-made millionaire hosts, struck a deal and purchased the Moki Door Step outright for $3 million. This historic deal marks one of few in the series 10-year history, and we're proud to be working together with them to bring the final design, the Rightline Gear Moki Door Step, to retail stores across the country.



So did your Son get his $3 mill after all? that's not chicken scratch...

So have him put an LED strip on the bottom/top/sides of it

New and Improved able to use 24 hours a day.



When do I get my 1% for this patentable idea?

[widebody911]

Here's an example of something I think is counterfeit on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JOZMX70

The description is pure Engrish

✔️ TO MASK WHILE PAINTING - When plastic paint cover and supplies for paintings is covered, The auto paint tape and film will protect covers part of automobile Due to the static electricity generated by the friction between the films rather than the normal film.
✔️ EASY TO USE - tarps on one side of The Plastic Sheet makes it easy to use even on walls and high furniture _ After fixing the position of the film, it will slowly spread the plastic film to cover.
✔️ SAVES A LOT OF TIME - Roll design for quick and convenient unfold the film and shield various appliance ; You can cut plastic tape of different lengths according to different items, So Much Easier.
✔️ QUALITY CONSTRUCTION, THOUGHTFULLY SIZED - High density Scotch tape and 3M Films_65-feet Length By Various Width By 0.5 mil Thickness, not easy to scratch, with Good quality dust-proof and waterproof effect.
✔️ VERSATILE AND WORTH - Lightweight ideal protective sheething for car automotive paint, household appliance and Drop cloth protection from dust and chemical pigment during house decoration or painting, Sprayer, Liquid, Scraper, Remover.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by widebody911

Here's an example of something I think is counterfeit on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JOZMX70

The description is pure Engrish

✔️ TO MASK WHILE PAINTING - When plastic paint cover and supplies for paintings is covered, The auto paint tape and film will protect covers part of automobile Due to the static electricity generated by the friction between the films rather than the normal film.
✔️ EASY TO USE - tarps on one side of The Plastic Sheet makes it easy to use even on walls and high furniture _ After fixing the position of the film, it will slowly spread the plastic film to cover.
✔️ SAVES A LOT OF TIME - Roll design for quick and convenient unfold the film and shield various appliance ; You can cut plastic tape of different lengths according to different items, So Much Easier.
✔️ QUALITY CONSTRUCTION, THOUGHTFULLY SIZED - High density Scotch tape and 3M Films_65-feet Length By Various Width By 0.5 mil Thickness, not easy to scratch, with Good quality dust-proof and waterproof effect.
✔️ VERSATILE AND WORTH - Lightweight ideal protective sheething for car automotive paint, household appliance and Drop cloth protection from dust and chemical pigment during house decoration or painting, Sprayer, Liquid, Scraper, Remover.

Absolutely, and I think a bunch of folks use the same guy to fill in their "selling points" as a ton of items have the same format with the checks and all caps.

[DavidI]

Which fake watch company are they referring to in this video?

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

"Most non Chinese brand names shipped from China are counterfeit".

When I first read this statement I was sceptical but it's actually true.
India is not as bad as China but they are fast catching up. High end speaker cables seem to be the latest thing.

Have you seen the latest fake Rolex watches? (All Chinese made)

God only knows why anybody would wear something like this. I don't care how good it looks it's fake so why B.S. yourself?

[unclebilly]

My 9 year old son ordered some Pokemon cards on Amazon with his birthday money. These were counterfiet. Most had the holograms but they were different and the font was different on some cards (he had identical 'real Pokemon' cards to compare to. Amazon refunded his money and he still played with them or traded some off at a 2:1 ration (whatever they do).

[Synchro Joe]

Some more information on this Amazon fake stuff. Too greedy in increasing their selling base and nearly impossible to police. I bought an Over The Air TV antenna for a trial on Amazon, turned out to be defective and I had to return it. Turns it they (Amazon) don't bother to test returned products (also nearly impossible) and they rely on the seller to back their products. This particular one was a previous return, never tested, apparently bought by the seller and re-sold there. I won't use them again for anything that might be returned and untested. Seller was a female in Russia, but used a California address. Go figure.
How Amazon's quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Synchro Joe

Some more information on this Amazon fake stuff. Too greedy in increasing their selling base and nearly impossible to police. I bought an Over The Air TV antenna for a trial on Amazon, turned out to be defective and I had to return it. Turns it they (Amazon) don't bother to test returned products (also nearly impossible) and they rely on the seller to back their products. This particular one was a previous return, never tested, apparently bought by the seller and re-sold there. I won't use them again for anything that might be returned and untested. Seller was a female in Russia, but used a California address. Go figure.
How Amazon's quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

Was it a Prime item?
Was it considerably cheaper than other comparable items?

Even if you aren't a Prime member, only order items that would be Prime if you had it.
If the prices is a lot cheaper than comparable items, caveat emptor.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by DavidI

Which fake watch company are they referring to in this video?

No idea but it would be easy enough to find out via Google.

[David]

Originally Posted by Zeke

It's all but impossible to walk up to the counter at McM. Grainger is different but they are disappearing fast around here.

At McM there is a counter off to the side with paper catalogs and phones that go directly to an order desk probably a 1000 miles from where you are standing. You can place your order and then sit down and wait...and wait. Much better to get your order in the day before and simply will call it. In some instances you can place an order before noon and get it that afternoon at the will call.

All you are saving is shipping and your gas is likely more. Most orders placed by 10am will be at your place UPS by the next day. I don't go to the McM brick and mortar anymore. Not worth the time, gas and effort.

Grainger used to be just down the street but now 10 miles away in heavy traffic. So that's a half hour one way, stand around waiting and another half hour back. IOW, all fooking morning.

Fastenal moves around like a drug dealer here locally.

Good advice. I'll add that if you do need to do business with a company that says they only sell to businesses, just act like you're a business. Just give them a company name and they usually don't ask more than that. If they ask for tax ID, tell them you need to pay the tax because you're not reselling whatever it is you're buying.


Back on the counterfeit stuff: A local TV station did a bit on Flex Seal Tape. They tried putting the tape on a bucket of water with a hole in the side and it didn't work. They did a follow up bit explaining that the TV station was contacted by Flex Seal and informed that they must have gotten a hold of counterfeit tape (Amazon!). They redid the test with the real Flex Seal Tape and it worked as advertised.

[wdfifteen]

Just came across this:

fakespot.com

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by masraum

Even if you aren't a Prime member, only order items that would be Prime if you had it.
If the prices is a lot cheaper than comparable items, caveat emptor.

Good practice, no doubt. Though, being a Prime / Amazon direct item is still no guarantee of anything.
The counterfeit items I mentioned previously were Prime via direct Amazon fulfillment (not 3rd-party re-sellers).

[john70t]

Prime? Ughh.
I used an offered free 30day trial and cancelled after a week.
The undisclosed terms, which I had to log-in to even find, was an automatic $14/mo. payment.
Good for those who buy often. I don't.
It took three times before the cancellation took effect. "Are you really sure?" Sneaky buttons.
They wouldn't let go.

I see a lot of new Prime delivery vehicles around here this year.
The company finances took a momentary dip with all the infrastructure investment.
Now they are moving into grocery delivery.

Expect them to start delivering all sorts of things and pushing into FedEx/UPS?USPS/GrubHub/etc territory.

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by john70t

Prime? Ughh.
I used an offered free 30day trial and cancelled after a week.
The undisclosed terms, which I had to log-in to even find, was an automatic $14/mo. payment.
Good for those who buy often. I don't.

Like many others here I suspect, I initially signed up for the Prime Video content (namely Top Gear/Grand Tour), with the shipping as simply a side-benefit. Now that TG/GT has gone away, the justification for a Prime membership is quickly ebbing. Though, it is still one of the few decent sources for 4k/HDR content, so I haven't pulled the plug just yet.

[asphaltgambler]

Ok, this past week my wife and I were in a bind and needed a part asap. Monday the starter decided to take a sabbatical in my wife's Jeep. It's her DD. I only use OEM new parts like this as it's a very difficult job - I've done it once before.

It was in the evening, I needed the part and needed it quickly. So online - Amazon was the only source to guarantee 2 day shipping. 1st seller with lowest price appeared legit until Google research revealed maybe not a Mopar authorized seller. Next group proved legit, again after research googling. As someone said above reviews may sometimes be the seller -or- the product.

So I pulled the trigger and it arrived on time in a Mopar box with appropriate paper work. If I had more time I would have sourced one locally.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey

Good practice, no doubt. Though, being a Prime / Amazon direct item is still no guarantee of anything.
The counterfeit items I mentioned previously were Prime via direct Amazon fulfillment (not 3rd-party re-sellers).

Wow, good to know. thanks.