Windows 7 end of life.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

(BTW re: an above post, cccleaner is considered malware in our environment),

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/ccleaner-utility-malware-infected,news-25851.html
From the link it looks like the Floxif Virus infected 32bit systems back in 2017.

Czech anti-virus Avast bought it after.
I did download a a free version od CCleaner previously which also included Avast.
No previous notification was given for that btw..

It appears it's also difficult to uninstall Avast.
Not possible through Windows. Requires it's own uninstaller.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by masraum

I'm running Win 7. I rarely reboot it. It runs 24x7. I purchased this PC in 2011.

I'm going to stick with Win 7.

If it's on your home network and not patched since 2011, I would be worried if I were you.

My next upgrade will be to a 27" iMac. It's going to be expensive, but should last as long as my current PC or longer barring any major changes in computing.

The last Mac I bought crapped out after 5 years, with no OS upgrades available. Yes, no longer supported and no available OS. Bricked.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by john70t

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/ccleaner-utility-malware-infected,news-25851.html
From the link it looks like the Floxif Virus infected 32bit systems back in 2017.

Czech anti-virus Avast bought it after.
I did download a a free version od CCleaner previously which also included Avast.
No previous notification of that btw..

It appears it's difficult to uninstall Avast. Not possible through Windows.
It requires it's own uninstaller.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/avast-software-uninstall-utility/

Interesting.
Article says Avast bought CC in July 2017 and the malware was injected in Aug/Sep. Coincidence ?

Avast has crossed the line IMO given the adware and installware.

[GH85Carrera]

I know one guy that still runs a IBM PC on DOS 6. He boots it from a 10 MB hard drive that still works just fine. All he does is print labels with a simple program. It is virus proof! As it has never been on any network.

[sugarwood]

All this talk of virus mythology is like 2004. It's crazy how stuck in the past some of these crazies are. I have not installed a virus program in a decade. It's all built in by windows 8. Which is like 7 years old now.v wondered defender. Done.. it's like some people insist on using a scythe to mow their lawn

[pmax]

Bought this way back then and the box's still stashed somewhere I think !

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by Fly Mach .86

Not being much of a computer expert, makes me wonder how is it that Windows 10 works great for some and is a nightmare for others? Installation glitch? Operator error? What?

It depends a lot on the use case. For use at work in order to get the functionality we need with GPO we have to use Enterprise where we used Win 7 Pro and there is some change in how you access some stuff.

At home, the kids have a couple laptops with Win 10 home. The update schedule sucks and you can't defer them. At home, I will upgrade our Win 7 machines to Win 10 enterprise as well.

Win 10 does have better gaming performance so it is odd that people are saying you need more of everything to upgrade.

It has also improved a huge amount since it first came out.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Synchro Joe

Have WIN10 on a laptop, came installed, and it's a chore to go through and turn off all the useless jumping unicorn and spying stuff that's installed. Spent serious time unchecking all the default privacy settings, and installing Norton, Spybot, CCleaner, Office, etc. but it mostly works. There is a way to get around the defaults and install IE for browser if you want that. WIN 8 was a disaster. My workstation purrs along on WIN7 and it be it's a much more stable, less bells and whistles, spying type of platform. I may bite the bullet and install 10, but not in the near future.

Internet Explorer is preloaded on Win 10. You just need a shortcut.

Norton is a ridiculous resource hog and it screws up Remote Access.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Internet Explorer is preloaded on Win 10. You just need a shortcut.

Norton is a ridiculous resource hog and it screws up Remote Access.

That is probably the nicest thing you could say about Norton and still be honest.

[Deschodt]

Originally Posted by flipper35

That is probably the nicest thing you could say about Norton and still be honest.

Name a good Enterprise Antivirus if you know of any... (by enterprise I mean where you can make groups and separate policies). They're ALL crap... I've tried most of them in different jobs and there's not one that's any good, or doesn't clash with patching, encryption, etc... If I was cynical I'd say the viruses come from the same place as the antivirus just to keep them in business, but they're so incompetent at it that's probably giving them too much credit ;-)

[Joe Bob]

Antivirus program sellers generate their own business, I fully believe that they are in cahoots with the hackers. The OS companies should be doing their parts on vulnerability issues.

Despite changing password, credit card number, address and other identifiers the last antivirus still managed to debit my account for a renewal I did not want. Their constant emails, spam and solicitation calls were worse than the asswipes that they were supposed to protect my system from

[Joe Bob]

Antivirus program sellers generate their own business, I fully believe that they are in cahoots with the hackers. The OS companies should be doing their parts on vulnerability issues.

Despite changing password, credit card number, address and other identifiers the last antivirus still managed to debit my account for a renewal I did not want. Their constant emails, spam and solicitation calls were worse than the asswipes that they were supposed to protect my system from

[rockaria]

[masraum]

Originally Posted by pmax

If it's on your home network and not patched since 2011, I would be worried if I were you.

No, it's on the 'Net and while I don't allow it to download and install the upgrades automatically, I let it ask me to download and install and then do that when I'm ready which is usually pretty quick, but sometimes may not be for 2-3 months after a patch comes out. I've also gone through all of the services that are started automatically, and shut down stuff that I don't need. I've also manually configured the built in firewall often to the level of "let this file access this tcp port, etc...), and I've got MSE running (that does do auto-update).

The last Mac I bought crapped out after 5 years, with no OS upgrades available. Yes, no longer supported and no available OS. Bricked.

Weird. It actually stopped working? Was it a hardware issue or was it that it tried to install an update that it couldn't support?

[Tobra]

I must say, Windows 10 sort of sucks and can't really see where it is better at anything. It is slow, and my touchpad quit working on my laptop after installing, two hours later, still not working. Might just buy a mouse to use to fix the touch pad. Windows 10 is nefarious

[GH85Carrera]

My biggest gripe with Windows 10 Pro is it is convinced every single computer is a laptop owned by a college student, or a millennial going to coffee shops and paying games. My computer weighs of 50 pounds and is huge. I have to work hard to get all the social media crap and games gone. The last update brought back Xbox game bar. It is getting more and more difficult to eliminate it. It takes multiple steps.

It is gone again, and I have no need to have it come back.

[Tobra]

There is a Schiff ton of crap that I have to turn off in this new crap software. Probably will end up bricking my laptopm It worked for a week, then pointer stopped working. GD I hate microsoft

[stevej37]

No idea why the transition to W10 has been so hard for some.
Mine went fine and the computer now works better than it did when new.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by stevej37

No idea why the transition to W10 has been so hard for some.
Mine went fine and the computer now works better than it did when new.

It probably has a lot to do with a couple of things.

1 How old is the computer and the peripherals used? If the computer itself or the peripherals are old, there may not be drivers, or at least not good drivers. That's most of when you hear "my _____ didn't work after the upgrade." There may be drivers available for download from some external website, but it's not automagic, or maybe there just aren't drivers available for some older parts.

2 How old is the software? Some software is probably just not compatible

3 How much crap is the old windows install carrying forward? If it's an older or active windows 7 install where tons of stuff has been installed and uninstalled and the registry and file system is full of old orphaned and crap files and entries, then the upgrade may not work for crap.

I can't remember who, but someone did the upgrade and it didn't work for crap, so they did a clean install and that worked great.

My PC is so old and has had so much stuff installed and uninstalled over the years, I have no doubt that the upgrade process would be painful probably for all 3 reasons above.

I've been a computer guy (building, upgrading hardware, optimizing the OS) since DOS days. I'm in the IT industry (work with different gear, not computers and workstations and workstation OS). I've had great luck with Windows since whatever came after Win 98SE, and that wasn't horrible. I was on Windows Vista for a long time and have now been on Win 7 for a long time too.

Several years ago, we got my wife an Apple laptop to replace her Windows laptop. I had to spend 2 weeks learning how to use it before I gave it to her for Christmas so I could show her how to use it and help. I was very, very impressed, and will probably be going to Mac when this PC dies (but it doesn't seem to want to die or slow down; current PC was purchased Dec 2011, so 8 years old).

[Tobra]

There is nothing in the device manager for touchpad instead of mouse. It worked for a week at least, then just stopped, maybe I have desktop version or something, but why would it have worked at all?