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stealthn 07-14-2020 05:50 AM

I’ve really enjoyed the last two races! A lot more activity going on than in the past seasons

Deschodt 07-14-2020 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 10945446)
I get it that any team can question another teams build . However isn't every cars build scrutinized/approved by the FIA ? If for example the FIA determines the brake ducts are illegal , aren't they also saying we told you they were fine but now we changed our mind ?

Not exactly... The ducts themselves can be legal, in that they conform to mandated design rules, they fit in an FIA box if you will. They can be illegal if they are a complete copy of the Mercedes ones, inside and out, because that is not a part that you are allowed to "inherit". The outside design of many parts can be similar from copying photos, but if it is the same inside as the mercedes part, the pinkies are toast. It's not at all about the ducts themselves as a performance part, but as a proof of copy of the 2019 mercedes car ;-)

It all comes down to F1 being a non spec series, and since HAAS started that trend, Force India (sorry I can't keep up with their silly new names) took it to extreme this year, they are running a 2019 Mercedes for all intents and purposes. I kinda wish the FIA would pull their finger and decide one way or another, go all in on the part sharing or forbid it completely...

Noah930 07-14-2020 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Deschodt (Post 10945739)
Force India (sorry I can't keep up with their silly new names)

You and Kimi.

"I have that Force India, or whatever the F it's called..."

sammyg2 07-15-2020 01:15 PM

Sebastian Vettel is “about to sign” with Aston Martin for 2021 with team owner Lawrence Stroll triggering Sergio Perez’s exit clause, reports Bild.

sammyg2 07-15-2020 01:17 PM

LOL Vettel gets to drive a mercedes after all, even if it is last year's model ;)

stealthn 07-15-2020 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 10947552)
Sebastian Vettel is “about to sign” with Aston Martin for 2021 with team owner Lawrence Stroll triggering Sergio Perez’s exit clause, reports Bild.

I read that too, but have to ask:

Perez is doing better than Vettel right now
What is going to happen to all the sponsors Perez brings in, does Vettel have any?

sammyg2 07-15-2020 01:21 PM

https://www.planetf1.com/news/gerhard-berger-sebastian-vettel-aston-martin/

https://www.planetf1.com/news/sebastian-vettel-sergio-perez-aston-martin/

sammyg2 07-15-2020 01:24 PM

Perez has a much better car than Vettel, and Perez doesn't have a snot-nosed teammate running into his car in turn three of the first lap.

Deschodt 07-15-2020 02:57 PM

Yeah that's crazy, he should replace Lance instead. I don't much like Perez but he is a pretty handy driver, handier than Lance... And all the Carlos Slim $$$ ?

sammyg2 07-15-2020 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Deschodt (Post 10947692)
Yeah that's crazy, he should replace Lance instead. I don't much like Perez but he is a pretty handy driver, handier than Lance... And all the Carlos Slim $$$ ?

Dad's probably not going to fire his kid, that's the reason he bought the team. so perez has to go if they want a champion to legitimize the team. I guess. ????
If it were my money and team I wouldn't do it.

Deschodt 07-15-2020 03:34 PM

Clearly... but sometimes those $$$ businessmen can be ruthless... I could see him say, listen son, I've got 200 mil in this venture, you had your shot, here's a new ferrari, go play...

rfuerst911sc 07-15-2020 04:22 PM

Perez brought $$$ to the team I doubt Vettel will . But maybe having a four time champion raises the team another level and opens up a different window of investors ? Maybe Vettel signs for less than market value base salary but heavy on performance incentives ?

Will be interesting to see if the rumor is true . Man silly season sure started early this year 😁

astrochex 07-16-2020 03:54 AM

Funny, people are calling RP, Tracing Point.

If changing teams is what Vettel needs for motivation, then that will be very good for his new team.

sammyg2 07-16-2020 06:31 AM

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Perez aware of Vettel deal, in talks with other teams
Date published: July 16 2020

Sergio Perez’s agent Julian Jacobi has been speaking with other teams for “weeks”, aware of Lawrence Stroll’s interest in signing Sebastian Vettel.

Dropped by Ferrari, who informed him that they would not be offering him a new deal for 2021, Vettel is currently job hunting.

The German has had the door to Mercedes, Renault and Red Bull closed on him but while it was thought that Racing Point, which will run under the Aston Martin brand next season, was also not an option, that story changed earlier this week.

Bild reported that Racing Point owner Stroll was keen to bring Vettel into the fold and had triggered a buy-out clause in Perez’s deal that would see the Mexican driver leave the team two years early.

ESPN Mexico is reporting the same, but from the Perez angle.

According to the publication, ‘Perez is aware of the deal between Lawrence Stroll, owner of the team, and the Germany’s Vettel, so his agent Julian Jacobi has been working for weeks on the best option for Checo Perez’ for 2021.

Jacobi is the former manager of Brazilian legend Ayrton Senna and Juan Pablo Montoya.

ESPN claims Perez’s two best options are Haas and Alfa Romeo, taking either Romain Grosjean or Kimi Raikkonen’s seats.

Grosjean barely held onto his race seat for this year’s championship, many believing Haas had finally grown tired of the drivers hot and cold results, while Raikkonen has admitted this could be his final season in Formula 1 as the 40-year-old considers a life in retirement.

The report adds that it is ‘highly unlikely that Perez will choose to run in another series’.

The other option is that it isn’t Perez who leaves Racing Point, soon to be Aston Martin, but rather Lance Stroll.

Although he is the son of the team’s owner, ESPN says Stroll is a ‘competitive businessman and Sergio Perez is not only a faster and more experienced driver, he has a sponsorship package with him that is helpful to the team’s finances’.

However, it concedes that is ‘far-fetched’ given the millions that the Canadian businessman has already plugged into his son’s career.


Racing Point has until 31st July 2021 to trigger Perez’s exit clause with the team said to be wanting to announce Vettel on 2 August at Silverstone.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/sergio-perez-aware-of-vettel-deal/

astrochex 07-18-2020 08:12 AM

Mercedes is so fast that a copy of last years car is faster than everybody else. Yikes.

rfuerst911sc 07-18-2020 10:00 AM

Outstanding effort by Russell in the Williams , he is wringing the car by it's neck for all it has ! Exciting to watch . How about Kimi being the slowest car on the track :confused: , Alfa is more lost than Haas ;)

stealthn 07-18-2020 11:24 AM

Love this season so far, awesome job by Stroll to qualify third!

rfuerst911sc 07-18-2020 12:06 PM

Assuming Haas signs the agreement and stays in F1 I would love to see Grosean replaced by Perez . I would also like to see Haas sign an American driver , there are plenty of good qualified young guns in Indy car and the feeder series to groom for an F1 ride . An American driver on an American team with American sponsorship wrapped in red/white/blue livery !!! Come on Gene make it happen ! :D

Captain Ahab Jr 07-18-2020 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 10951788)
Assuming Haas signs the agreement and stays in F1 I would love to see Grosean replaced by Perez . I would also like to see Haas sign an American driver , there are plenty of good qualified young guns in Indy car and the feeder series to groom for an F1 ride . An American driver on an American team based in the UK and Italy full of English and Italians :D with American sponsorship wrapped in red/white/blue livery !!! Come on Gene make it happen ! :D

Only jesting, I hope Haas stay in F1 too :cool:

rusnak 07-18-2020 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 10951788)
Assuming Haas signs the agreement and stays in F1 I would love to see Grosean replaced by Perez . I would also like to see Haas sign an American driver , there are plenty of good qualified young guns in Indy car and the feeder series to groom for an F1 ride . An American driver on an American team with American sponsorship wrapped in red/white/blue livery !!! Come on Gene make it happen ! :D

I've been telling my friend's kid to make a video blog of his quest for F1. I gave him one of my video cameras and gear. Carter Williams is an American race car driver who deserves a shot at a Haas seat. I think F1 teams should work with the FIA to develop a video series show about young race car drivers and their quest for sponsorship and track time. One of the most interesting parts of the Amazon F1 series was the behind-the-scenes segments of the drivers at home.

astrochex 07-18-2020 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 10952097)
I've been telling my friend's kid to make a video blog of his quest for F1. I gave him one of my video cameras and gear. Carter Williams is an American race car driver who deserves a shot at a Haas seat. I think F1 teams should work with the FIA to develop a video series show about young race car drivers and their quest for sponsorship and track time. One of the most interesting parts of the Amazon F1 series was the behind-the-scenes segments of the drivers at home.

He is a driver? Perhaps he should also try to do other work in F1, like Sabre Cook an American W Series driver who is also in an Infinity engineering program. A good source of job opportunities in the racing industry is, https://www.motorsportjobs.com/en.

rusnak 07-18-2020 11:06 PM

^ Yes! F3 although this season was messed up. He's in England I think right now, hard to keep up with what he's doing.

https://www.facebook.com/carterwilliamsracing/

Captain Ahab Jr 07-19-2020 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 10952097)
I've been telling my friend's kid to make a video blog of his quest for F1. I gave him one of my video cameras and gear. Carter Williams is an American race car driver who deserves a shot at a Haas seat. I think F1 teams should work with the FIA to develop a video series show about young race car drivers and their quest for sponsorship and track time. One of the most interesting parts of the Amazon F1 series was the behind-the-scenes segments of the drivers at home.

I think your friends son might be already too old for F1 :( but wish your friend and his son all the luck in the world in their F1 quest

Takes millions and millions to get enough seat time along with many race wins in F3 European and F2 championship to have sniff of getting a drive in F1. In more recent years a dad that has enough money to buy a team. How many billions does your friend have?

Nationality is pretty low done on the list when an F1 team is choosing a driver, if it's a smaller F1 team then money, sponsors, money and results come before nationality

David 07-19-2020 04:21 AM

Even before getting in a car, a driver has years of kart racing. 15 years ago when I was racing with my modest $10k a year budget, the ‘sponsored’ kids with full kart factory backing were really sponsored by dad cutting the race team a check for $50k a year. Plus they had to be good enough to be in the seat.

rfuerst911sc 07-19-2020 07:17 AM

Decent race today I thought Albon and Vettel drove well . Nice to see Haas get some points . How the heck did Kimi line up on the wrong side at the start ??? Has Lance Stroll become the real deal ?

Noah930 07-19-2020 10:02 AM

What ever happened with the Albon drying-the-starting-box controversy? Penalty or no penalty?

Lots of good drives today, but I think Lewis' super-dominant win still made him driver of the day IMO. He made it look easy.

Not meant as a political comment, but I think it's a little bit ironic that Lewis spearheads the BLM issue in F1, inspires his team to paint the cars black, and then has sponsorship (printed in little letters by his visor) by a sunglass company named Police. Obviously one (the human rights issue) has nothing to do with the other (random name of a sponsor), but an odd and ironic lining up of the planets nonetheless.

Noah930 07-19-2020 05:01 PM

And now both Haas cars have been penalized 10 seconds for getting help (not driving unaided) for their tire changes right at the start of the race. So Mags gets demoted from P9 to P10, and Grosjean also dropped a place in the mid-teens. Ridiculous. Every driver gets told by the team how and what tires are going to be used and when.

rfuerst911sc 07-20-2020 03:29 AM

I agree the call to change tires by Haas and then penalize them is a chicken chit call by F1 .

GH85Carrera 07-20-2020 05:03 AM

It is certainly clear how fast the Mercedes is compared to the rest of the field. When he lapped everyone up to 5th place as I remember. He could have had a even bigger lead, but he pitted for new tires to get the fastest lap point.

And the Mercedes always finish the race. In over 60 races in a row, with the exception of just one, Hamilton has finished in the points. And I thing the record is even longer for Botas. The old adage, "To finish first you must first finish" is sure evident,

Rtrorkt 07-22-2020 08:43 AM

Ferrari restructuring

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/53503786

rfuerst911sc 07-22-2020 09:17 AM

I may be wrong but if the people are the same just with less/more/different responsibilities they are fighting a tough battle to claw back . Every decision on last year's car and this year's was made by these same people .

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insanity . Ferrari needs a REAL shakeup . It is about talent . Not long ago they were top of the heap with Brawn and Todt . After they left it's like there was a talent vacuum . Ferrari found out how good they were and how hard they are to replace .

javadog 07-22-2020 09:19 AM

Ferrari had a brief reign of good fortune in the early 2000s. Shooting themselves in the foot is their normal. After the world title in 1979, the drought was a long one.

rusnak 07-22-2020 01:44 PM

Not sure if Mattia has what it takes to build up a team. I have to say also, this season it looks like Seidl at McLaren has not proven his potential YET. Too early still to say. Last year's great improvement was due to changes prior to his arrival.

Captain Ahab Jr 07-22-2020 02:49 PM

One of Ferrari's biggest problems is they are geographically isolated from the F1 talent pool

Ferrari create lots of other self inflicted problems but for me this is the main one preventing the team from threatening Mercedes recent domination of the sport

Iciclehead 07-23-2020 05:30 AM

I have a confession to make....

After following F1 since I was 14 (50 years ago) and mourning the loss of the greats such as Villeneuve, I am just no longer into it.

I started watching the last race, after 10 minutes I was so bored with it that I just shut it off and did my nails. Something has changed in my head about the sport which used to be all about great drivers pushing sometimes inferior cars farther than then had any right to be....to what now seems to be an overly regulated, referee dominated, single manufacturer dominated circus which frankly has lost my interest.

Ah well....all I can say to the rest of you is I hope you enjoy it! Its not my thing any more...

Dennis

javadog 07-23-2020 05:35 AM

Yeah, I’ve lost most of my interest in it, too.

Bring on the 24 hours of Le Mans.

sammyg2 07-23-2020 06:54 AM

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Ferrari’s engine saga could be about to take a dark turn with claims in the Italian press stating they have been victims of industrial espionage.

The Scuderia’s 2019 power unit was the envy of the Formula 1 paddock but a series of Technical Directives issued by the FIA correlated with a sudden drop-off in performance towards the end of the campaign.

The performance drop has carried over to the 2020 season and, after months of citing other weaknesses away from power unit, Ferrari boss Mattia Binotto finally conceded at the Hungarian Grand Prix that the TDs have impacted their engine.

“I think that the regulations are very difficult and complex,” Binotto said in the team principals’ press conference at the Hungaroring.

“I think there are areas of the regulations where maybe clarifications are still required. It’s an ongoing process which has always existed in the past, and will exist in the future.

“Since last year a lot of TDs [FIA technical directives] have been released, eventually clarifying some of the areas of the regulations. I think that through those TDs we had to adapt ourselves.

“I don’t think it was only the case of Ferrari, I think looking at the power output of this season I think most of the other manufacturers had to adapt themselves. Certainly as Ferrari we had to adapt, and as a simple output of that we lost some of the performance we had.

Mercedes boss Toto Wolff called bull**** on those claims, while other teams have said that the TDs have not had a negative impact on their performance.


But how was the Ferrari engine placed under so much scrutiny in the first place? Well, according to Italian publication Corriere dello Sport, the information was obtained illegally by a rival team with the Scuderia’s computer system being breached.


That information then formed the basis for the FIA to launch an official investigation into the power unit. The details of the investigation were never made public as the FIA and Ferrari came to a ‘private agreement’ together.

Binotto said the private agreement was arranged as the information involved a lot of detail about Ferrari’s Intellectual Property.

He said: “First, there was no clear breach of the regulations. Otherwise we would have been disqualified.

“The reason we don’t want to open is simply because whatever we would need to explain is IP, intellectual property to our project, to our power unit and no one in the paddock would be happy to release information on their design and their projects.

“It’s IP, it’s confidentiality, it’s intellectual property protection and that’s the reason why we are not keen to do it.”
https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-possibly-victim-of-new-spy-saga-report/

tevake 07-23-2020 09:47 AM

Indy car has some good racing going on these days.

I'm also really enjoying endurance sports car racing, the running of multipul classes makes for great on track action.

Cheers Richard

stealthn 07-23-2020 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iciclehead (Post 10957974)
I have a confession to make....

After following F1 since I was 14 (50 years ago) and mourning the loss of the greats such as Villeneuve, I am just no longer into it.

I started watching the last race, after 10 minutes I was so bored with it that I just shut it off and did my nails. Something has changed in my head about the sport which used to be all about great drivers pushing sometimes inferior cars farther than then had any right to be....to what now seems to be an overly regulated, referee dominated, single manufacturer dominated circus which frankly has lost my interest.

Ah well....all I can say to the rest of you is I hope you enjoy it! Its not my thing any more...

Dennis

Quiter...

stealthn 07-23-2020 02:50 PM

Wow, really Ferrari, rules too strict, then we got hacked, next we uh, um, spilt wine on the rule book, yeah that’s it.


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