Drove a Tesla and I'm a bit sad.

[rusnak]

I like Clarkson's axiom on this matter. I basically have around 300,000 to 400,000 hours left before I die. I don't want to waste any of that time waiting for my car to be ready so that I can go where I want to be.

Isn't that what we did as kids? Waited for the toy car to charge so we can go out and play? I don't need a pet car that needs so much care. I don't even charge my phone every day, let alone wait to use it after it has charged.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

It's amusing to those of us who drive evs on a daily basis to hear the haters tell us that they don't work. A really good solution to those who don't like evs and can't believe they are actually useful is simply DON'T BUY ONE!

You remind me of the old gal at ASU that yelled at me for idling my turbo diesel. Something about sustainability, and my gross polluter. She drove a leaf.

The useful part has already been discussed. When you can drive 400 +miles, fill up in less than 5 minutes and do another 400+ miles. Let alone tow anything useful. Lmk

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

Coal still supplies a lot of USA power plant energy production in 2019. World wide, coal is the major energy source. Until the fear mongering nuclear ninnies die off we are still charging EVs by coal...

Here's Exxon Mobil's outlook on energy over the next 20 years. Coal is not the major energy source, worldwide.

2019 Outlook for Energy: A Perspective to 2040


You will notice there is only one energy type in decline dropping to under 20% worldwide by 2040. The U.S. will be under 5% by then.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

I'm really happy for you. What concerns me is when governments want to take away that choice.

2040 in Germany for example is the end of ICE.

BTW, since you know how great EVs are, please answer these questions I asked earlier:
What do the people in a major cities with no garage do to recharge their cars? Will every parking spot also have a charger? What will the cost to setup that kind of infrastructure cost and WHO do you think will pay for it?

How about an apartment dweller?

Finally, when CA decides to do a blackout or brownout, how many people will no longer be able to get to work? Their infrastructure is already at max capability. There aren't enough unicorns to magically fart the power needed to go to EV.

Remember that these are questions in light of increasing political pressures to eliminate the ICE.

I'm shocked CA hasn't followed suit with the same timeline. The last bill died quietly.

[island911]

Originally Posted by David

The grid typically only runs low for seconds or minutes at a time. The way Texas works is that wholesale prices skyrocket when this happens. I’d love to sell every kWh my car had for $9 each when needed.

You would decide whether to allow your car to provide backup to the grid, plus your car would know your schedule tomorrow to know if you need a full charge in the morning. This is pretty simple stuff compared to everything thing else a Tesla does now.

As if EV's don't have enough planning and management already. sheesh.

I have a bunch of cordless drills and even more batteries that need EOL management. A bunch of cameras, and even more batteries. I write the date purchased on those. Laptops and tablets... I can't imagine the management, trying to eek out all the use of a $40,000 battery pack. And then you want to cycle it for grid porpoising? Yeah, no thanks.

[manbridge 74]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Here's Exxon Mobil's outlook on energy over the next 20 years. Coal is not the major energy source, worldwide.

2019 Outlook for Energy: A Perspective to 2040


You will notice there is only one energy type in decline dropping to under 20% worldwide by 2040. The U.S. will be under 5% by then.

Yes, demand projections are a possibility. Today, as in right now, coal burning in power plants supplies the majority of the worlds power.

[manbridge 74]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

It's amusing to those of us who drive evs on a daily basis to hear the haters tell us that they don't work. A really good solution to those who don't like evs and can't believe they are actually useful is simply DON'T BUY ONE!

Tis also amusing to those of us still driving classic cars to hear haters telling us they are obsolete and we aren’t wokesters. A really good solution to those who like EVs is simply to buy one and only crow about them when asked.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

Yes, demand projections are a possibility. Today, as in right now, coal burning in power plants supplies the majority of the worlds power.

Why would you lie when the 2017 column clearly shows coal is not the majority. Are you blind? Are you stupid? I don't understand how you can say that or why you would say that when you just have to look at the columns. Here, let me help you. Orange is coal, Green is oil. Which is bigger? Orange or Green? Take your time and don't rush but let us all know which one is bigger, Orange or Green. I've also put an arrow pointing to 2017 to help you out. So did you lie or are you stupid?

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

Tis also amusing to those of us still driving classic cars to hear haters telling us they are obsolete and we aren’t wokesters.

Who is doing that? Please point out the post.

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

A really good solution to those who like EVs is simply to buy one and only crow about them when asked.

Most of the threads here that mention EVs have TESLA or VOLT in the thread title. If you don't like EV owners talking about their cars you can simply not click on the links. When you see TESLA or VOLT in a thread title, you might want to just pass that thread by.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

You remind me of the old gal at ASU that yelled at me for idling my turbo diesel. Something about sustainability, and my gross polluter. She drove a leaf.

Why do I remind you of this person?

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Why do I remind you of this person?

ICE bad. EV good.

The argument on this thread has been bashing of telsa, and musk. Let alone the fed incentive, or that crazy ev charging building code. We're bashing EV b/c of the implementation of legislation that is forcing to accept a product that is not fully capable to self sustain. Natural disaster hits where you don't have power for 7-30 days. EV have a niche role to play in transportation of high density living. But so do small diesels engines that are capable of 50 mpg that for some reason are banned in this country. *cough* thanks CA *cough*

[manbridge 74]

Not sure why you think I’m lying. Triggered much? The data for 2018 is below. It’s all over the net. Get a grip man....

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

Not sure why you think I’m lying. Triggered much? The data for 2018 is below. It’s all over the net. Get a grip man....

I'm triggered by stupid people, yes. That's the number one problem with the internet. Stupid people get to post right alongside intelligent people. It used to be stupid people knew their place and no harm was done. The good old days.

Your unattributed chart shows oil at 34% and coal at 27%. I'm not sure why you posted it other than to prove my point. Thank you!

[Sooner or later]

If we look at worldwide total energy it is oil, though not a majority.

If we look at worldwide electrical production it is coal at about 40% of total production. Still not a majority.

[manbridge 74]

Nah, proves my point in that we are talking clean vs dirty energy. Oil is combined with coal by most reasonable people.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

Nah, proves my point in that we are talking clean vs dirty energy. Oil is combined with coal by most reasonable people.

No, it just proves you are stupid. Nothing more.

[jwasbury]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

I could buy a new Tesla but I truly believe I'm being greener by keeping another ICE car on the road instead of replacing it with several new EV car's or one new EV car and several battery packs while my old truck keeps on racking up the miles.

^violently agree.

I think the new EV tech is very cool and promising. Someday I may own one. Planning to drive the '98 Benz Turbodiesel into the ground first.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

ICE bad. EV good.

I've never said that, so there is no reason for me to remind you of people who do. In fact, of those who post here who own electrics, I can't recall a single one of them saying ICE is bad. We've mostly talked about our experiences with EVs.

[Nader]

Don't want to go to PARF, but I didn't see this coming; it seems like Trump is a fan of Musk, rockets, Edison, and whoever invented the wheel:

[island911]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

No, it just proves you are stupid. Nothing more.

Seriously? Take a deep breath and calm the fk down.

Coal, Oil and natural gas are all in the same category. -mined hydrocarbons.

Coal is a solid form of gooey oil, and nat gas is the farts of oil and coal. All compressed hydrocarbon.

The world burns hydrocarbons for energy far above nuke and hydro.

So if you think that the world will NOT get electric car power primarily from "dead dino's" then you are the the weakest link.