Drove a Tesla and I'm a bit sad.

[gtc]

DIY retrofits seem pretty close, from what I have seen.
There are a few places already that will sell you a controller for a junkyard Tesla drive unit, but from what i have seen they lack features like regenerative braking and charge controllers. On top of that, the programming and wiring looks complex for those of us who are not EEs.

[Por_sha911]

Sincere question concerning ^
Who do you go to when you need a repair?

[RWebb]

the same place the Vanagon owners with Sube motors go...


just say non-zero emissions...

[gacook]

Originally Posted by Nader

Can't believe that electrics will rely on the current battery technology. Things are developing too fast, getting better and better, quickly. Just in the last 15 years they have gone from NiCad to NiMH to LiIon/LiFeSO. What's next? Super-capacitors instead of batteries altogether? Regardless, electric motors will be the propulsion.

From what I've read, they've basically hit the wall on batteries. Until someone has that breakthrough moment of figuring out what's next, batteries are about as good as they're going to get at this point...and it's not good enough.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by RWebb

the same place the Vanagon owners with Sube motors go....

In the above case a decent mechanic can work on a VW chassis or a Subie engine.
Who can navigate EV technology not installed by the manufacturer? Tesla won't touch it and I can't imagine an indy wanting to dig into a glitch in a Rube Goldberg contraption with high voltage.

[Arizona_928]

Telsas instantaneous combust, and take all day to put out.
They're made for paved roads and really haven't had r&d that other manufacturers do. Unless you consider yourself the guinea pig beta tester.

They're a fad and will be at the end of the life especially as they have exhausted the Fed incentive. Well unless you consider telsa a status symbol.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

Telsas instantaneous combust, and take all day to put out. They're made for paved roads and really haven't had r&d that other manufacturers do. Unless you consider yourself the guinea pig beta tester.

Obviously you don't know about Ford and GM products like the Pinto, first year Citation, and other abominations.

They're a fad and will be at the end of the life especially as they have exhausted the Fed incentive. Well unless you consider telsa a status symbol.

The problem with the car is that the technology isn't yet been found to make the thing practical. Will EVs be the future? Sure but not with what we have to work with today. I'm also not a fan of the Ponzi scam that Musk has run on the American tax payers but that is financial and not technical.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Finally, when CA decides to do a blackout or brownout, how many people will no longer be able to get to work?

This is all going to be controlled by "the collective".
Individual rights to individual property be gone.
Given to the state to control.

Whenever the (private) public power station is running low, the easiest thing for them to do is steal power from 100,000 EV cars plugged in for the night.
Easy enough.
I'm sure the numbers will all be accurate.

But what happens when someone absolutely needs to take that 200mi trip NOW, but their car is drained to 10% charge?

[gtc]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Sincere question concerning ^
Who do you go to when you need a repair?

If you build your own, I would think you can fix it yourself.
We have a p-car shop here in seattle that is advertising electric conversions... i would imagine they would work on other makes of conversions.

Not really that much different that putting an aftermarket EFI on an old 911, is it?

The tesla drive units seem pretty bombproof.... i for one would give it a shot once the kits get better.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

The problem with the car is that the technology isn't yet been found to make the thing practical. Will EVs be the future? Sure but not with what we have to work with today. I'm also not a fan of the Ponzi scam that Musk has run on the American tax payers but that is financial and not technical.

I'm talking lithium ion electrical fires. The procedure to put one of those bad boys out is insane. Cut holes in the body. Water. Put it at a 45° angle and watch it for half a day so it doesn't catch again. Let alone if you're stuck in the car for two hours initially. Least the examples you gave had mechanical exists.

I agree with everything else you stated.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by gtc

If you build your own, I would think you can fix it yourself.
We have a p-car shop here in seattle that is advertising electric conversions... i would imagine they would work on other makes of conversions.

Not really that much different that putting an aftermarket EFI on an old 911, is it?

The tesla drive units seem pretty bombproof.... i for one would give it a shot once the kits get better.

They have been doing 914 electric conversions for awhile now with normal deep cycle batteries. It's nothing new. Just musk paid some ******* to figure out a way to put laptop batteries into a car lol

[David]

Originally Posted by john70t

This is all going to be controlled by "the collective".
Individual rights to individual property be gone.
Given to the state to control.

Whenever the (private) public power station is running low, the easiest thing for them to do is steal power from 100,000 EV cars plugged in for the night.
Easy enough.
I'm sure the numbers will all be accurate.

But what happens when someone absolutely needs to take that 200mi trip NOW, but their car is drained to 10% charge?

The grid typically only runs low for seconds or minutes at a time. The way Texas works is that wholesale prices skyrocket when this happens. I’d love to sell every kWh my car had for $9 each when needed.

You would decide whether to allow your car to provide backup to the grid, plus your car would know your schedule tomorrow to know if you need a full charge in the morning. This is pretty simple stuff compared to everything thing else a Tesla does now.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by David

This is pretty simple stuff compared to everything thing else a Tesla does now.

Cars and coffee evrywhere?

Mandatory smart meters w/constant network monitoring are already spreading like the plague.
Remote utility permissions to charge a person's vehicle is next.
Every vehicle will be licensed, not owned.
"Only the tip. I promise."

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by Nader

When I got out of the car, I wasn't gleefully jumping up and down. I just shook my head, like, daaaang.

Much the same reaction that I had after driving my friend's dual-motor Model 3.

Here's a well-presented evaluation of the Tesla Model 3 by an aerospace engineer and real ICE enthusiast.

[manbridge 74]

Coal still supplies a lot of USA power plant energy production in 2019. World wide, coal is the major energy source. Until the fear mongering nuclear ninnies die off we are still charging EVs by coal...

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

Coal still supplies a lot of USA power plant energy production in 2019. World wide, coal is the major energy source. Until the fear mongering nuclear ninnies die off we are still charging EVs by coal...

"They" forced the local coal plant out here to close down. Leaving a few small towns struggling to get power. Nice regulations killing things

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

Coal still supplies a lot of USA power plant energy production in 2019. World wide, coal is the major energy source. Until the fear mongering nuclear ninnies die off we are still charging EVs by coal...

Coal accounted for 27.5% of energy production in 2018 and is the only energy source not only declining, but steeply at about 100 billion kilowatthours per year. That will only accelerate. All other sources of energy are increasing.

I wouldn't doubt if coal is 10% of total energy production in less than 10 years.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

[wdfifteen]

It's amusing to those of us who drive evs on a daily basis to hear the haters tell us that they don't work. A really good solution to those who don't like evs and can't believe they are actually useful is simply DON'T BUY ONE!

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by David

The grid typically only runs low for seconds or minutes at a time.

Not in places like CA or NY.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

It's amusing to those of us who drive evs on a daily basis to hear the haters tell us that they don't work. A really good solution to those who don't like evs and can't believe they are actually useful is simply DON'T BUY ONE!

I'm really happy for you. What concerns me is when governments want to take away that choice.

BTW, since you know how great EVs are, please answer these questions I asked earlier:
What do the people in a major cities with no garage do to recharge their cars? Will every parking spot also have a charger? What will the cost to setup that kind of infrastructure cost and WHO do you think will pay for it?

How about an apartment dweller?

Finally, when CA decides to do a blackout or brownout, how many people will no longer be able to get to work? Their infrastructure is already at max capability. There aren't enough unicorns to magically fart the power needed to go to EV.

Remember that these are questions in light of increasing political pressures to eliminate the ICE.