Drove a Civic Type R

[GG Allin]

ion thrusters.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by petrolhead611

Would you actually want to drive a rear drive car full bore on a bumpy rough loose surface on a public road?

Hell YEH!

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Sarc

Well, I have to commend you on giving it a try. That thing could drive like a Mclaren F1, but ain't no way I could walk up to this every morning. Egads! I think I need an ibuprofen.

Dark Blue would help disguise the white/black "transition" areas - worked for me on an older Supra

take a SawzAll to the tail...

[onewhippedpuppy]

Yeah I’ve seen them in dark blue and black, the effect is much more subtle.

[stevej37]

https://www.motor1.com/features/143449/civic-type-r-lap-times/

[McLovin]

I love that Type R! I don’t find the styling too over the top, it’s functional and the car has the power and performance to back it.

Front wheel drive makes it a no go for me. Also, while I like looking at it, it’s a bit too “youthful” in style for an old man like me to actually drive around in.

I always wonder why Honda doesn’t make a RWD “halo” version. That would be so bad azz. Esp. if it was a lightweight version. Cloth interior. Manual sports seats. 2 door hatch. Roll up windows.

That would be an instant legend.

[petrolhead611]

One word answer McLovin: uneconomic

[flipper35]

I think McLovin is describing the S2000 on the cheap.

FWD doesn't bother me for most stuff.

[stevej37]

Here in MI, for all season driving...RWD doesn't work well in the snow at all, FWD works fine.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by petrolhead611

One word answer McLovin: uneconomic

Maybe, maybe not.

F1 was uneconomic but they did that.

They’re Honda, they can afford it!

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by stevej37

Here in MI, for all season driving...RWD doesn't work well in the snow at all, FWD works fine.

Ever try RWD on snow tires? I drove a 996 in almost 12” of snow without any issues. You’ll run out of ground clearance before traction.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by petrolhead611

One word answer McLovin: uneconomic

Exactly. And once they've covered the extra cost (development and tooling), it's no longer cheap.

Originally Posted by flipper35

I think McLovin is describing the S2000 on the cheap.

FWD doesn't bother me for most stuff.

Yep, but by the time they create something RWD and sell in low numbers, it's no longer cheap.

FWD doesn't bother me in an economy car, but I think I'd be pretty disappointed with a high-perf, sporty car. Or maybe the problem is that I've only ever driven cheap, crappy FWD cars. Maybe the good ones are much better.

Originally Posted by stevej37

Here in MI, for all season driving...RWD doesn't work well in the snow at all, FWD works fine.

I get it, and I get that's how it's supposed to work. When I was in HS, we lived in NoVA. We'd get the occasional snow. I remember 3 vehicles in the white stuff, 1 '76 Chevy Chevette (rwd), 2 '78 Dodge Omni (fwd) and 3 '65 Chevy Impala (V-8, 4spd, V-8, rwd). Dad drove my Impala to work (30ish miles to Wash DC) and back. We drove the Chevette in the snow, no problem. Then when we tried to drive the Omni in the snow, it wouldn't go.

All of them probably had cheap, A/S tires.

[stevej37]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Ever try RWD on snow tires? I drove a 996 in almost 12” of snow without any issues. You’ll run out of ground clearance before traction.

I can see how that would...but I was thinking of front engined cars.
Unless the rear is loaded with weight...not enough traction.
I never take the 911's out in the winter...they load the roads down with salt here.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Ever try RWD on snow tires? I drove a 996 in almost 12” of snow without any issues. You’ll run out of ground clearance before traction.

That was what I saw when my dad took my old '65 Impala to work in the snow. When he came home, the car looked like a snow plow with at least 12" of snow stacked up in front of the front bumper as he came down the road. And I think it was running cheap white letter 225 70 14 tires.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Ever try RWD on snow tires? I drove a 996 in almost 12” of snow without any issues. You’ll run out of ground clearance before traction.

Our 2wd Durango gets around great in the winter with Blizzaks as long as you don't high center it.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by stevej37

I can see how that would...but I was thinking of front engined cars.
Unless the rear is loaded with weight...not enough traction.
I never take the 911's out in the winter...they load the roads down with salt here.

I always run my trucks with BFG AT tires that are also rated like snow tires (severe snow snowflake label). I rarely have to use 4wd, even with RWD and an unloaded truck bed, because the tires are so good. Once you try a good set of winter tires you won't want to go back. I have a second set of wheels I bought used with Michelin winter tires for my E63, it's a year round 518 HP RWD snow machine.