Not Ventilators - You've been Tesla'd

[island911]

I think that Musk need a stage and some big steel balls to drop on one of those.

[jamesnmlaw]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-iron-lung-nhs-ventilation-papworth-a9440931.html

[Noah930]

It's great that Musk did something and tried to help. But for those out there who believe these BIPAP machines are adequate from an equipment perspective, when your family member goes into respiratory failure and my family member goes into respiratory failure, and when there are only one of each machine left in the hospital, I'll let you sign up your family member for a Musk-supplied "ventilator" and my family member can have one of the real things.

[1990C4S]

And if I lose that battle, I will cross my fingers and use the Tesla 'ventilator'. Because it's that's or nothing....

Odds are someone will eventually make use of his donation(s) and survive.

He's a huckster, a flim-flam man, etc etc. But he's done more than most of us.

[sc_rufctr]

[island911]

Cool Retro Encabulator vid.

[john70t]

Is there any kind of existing medical standard between "Respirator" versus a "Breathing supplement" (CPAP/BPAP)?
(Delivery pressure and/or feedback mechanisms might differentiate the two.idk)

sc_rufctr, great video. Model 3 controller boards for a respirator. Keeps both in that "essential" category lol.

[red-beard]

Continued

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article241982586.html

Musk promised 1000 Ventilators for California but never delivered even one.

On March 23, Gov. Gavin Newsom made a dramatic announcement: Tesla founder Elon Musk was donating over 1,000 ventilators to California.

It seemed like miraculous news at a moment when the state was desperately searching for ventilators to help save critical coronavirus patients. But was it true?

Newsom’s office now says Musk was supposed to deliver the ventilators directly to hospitals. So far, however, the governor’s office says no California hospital has received them.

It’s also not clear whether Musk actually has any ventilators to give. A report by the Financial Times’ Alphaville column revealed that Musk had purchased Bilevel Positive Airway Pressure (BPAP) machines, which he then plastered with Tesla stickers and shipped to New York.

But BPAP machines, which are used to treat sleep apnea, are not the “invasive” type of ventilators needed to help COVID-19 patients. Even worse, the FT reported that “The American Society of Anesthesiologists on Feb. 23 issued guidance warning that CPAP and BPAP machines ‘may increase the risk of infectious transmission.’”

A real ventilator can cost up to $50,000, according to the FT. The machines Musk supplied cost $800. On April 7, the FT wrote that Musk now appears to have delivered at least one “invasive” ventilator to New York.

So, millions of Californians heard the governor announce Musk’s heroic donation of “ventilators.” Yet not one unit has been delivered – and Musk likely never had the real ventilators our hospitals need.

Tesla did not respond to an interview request.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Never mind, we didn’t need all those respirators after all. NYC, despite being the hardest hit area of the USA, is donating some of theirs to other states.

[sammyg2]

Where's the popcorn?

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Never mind, we didn’t need all those respirators after all. NYC, despite being the hardest hit area of the USA, is donating some of theirs to other states.

NYC was desperate for ventilators and received some from China and Oregon less than two weeks ago. About that same time NY state and the Feds were sending N95 respirators to NYC. Are they on the plus side for respirators now?

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

NYC was desperate for ventilators and received some from China and Oregon less than two weeks ago. About that same time NY state and the Feds were sending N95 respirators to NYC. Are they on the plus side for respirators now?

Yes, I saw a report yesterday that Cuomo is sending some to neighboring states because NY is thought to be beyond the worst and they have ventilators to spare. The shortage was based upon the models that vastly overestimated the spread and the number that would require hospitalization.

[Jim Richards]

Ventilators or respirators? I haven’t seen a report about NYC cutting loose ventilators. New Jersey and Massachusetts are pretty hard hit, so maybe that’s it.

NYC:
Cases: 117,565
Hospitalized: 30,903
Confirmed deaths: 7,563
Probable deaths: 3,914
Updated: April 16, 2.30 p.m.

Still looks pretty bad to me

[Aurel]

The ventilators are useless and make things worse anyways. Patients die because the virus directly displaces iron out of hemoglobin in the blood. Oxygen blood levels drop and lungs cannot do anything about it because hemoglobin does not take oxygen anymore.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Ventilators or respirators? I haven’t seen a report about NYC cutting loose ventilators. New Jersey and Massachusetts are pretty hard hit, so maybe that’s it.

NYC:
Cases: 117,565
Hospitalized: 30,903
Confirmed deaths: 7,563
Probable deaths: 3,914
Updated: April 16, 2.30 p.m.

Still looks pretty bad to me

Here you go: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/16/andrew-cuomo-giving-100-ventilators-new-jersey/amp/

I actually saw it on TV last night, that was just the first google hit.

[Jim Richards]

Sorry, my browser avoids neo-nazi sites (e.g., Breitbart).

[red-beard]

Was that meant to be green?

[dafischer]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Sorry, my browser avoids neo-nazi sites (e.g., Breitbart).

Is this okay, or is it neo-nazi as well?

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2020/04/16/new-york-sending-100-ventilators-to-new-jersey-1277241

Here's another nefarious source:

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/nj-getting-100-additional-ventilators-from-ny-to-battle-coronavirus.html

[McLovin]

Seems like May and June will be good months for anyone in the market for a ventilator.

“Ventilator! Brand new in the box, never used! Built Ford Tough! Make an offer. Only 50,000 available.”

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by dafischer

Is this okay, or is it neo-nazi as well?

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2020/04/16/new-york-sending-100-ventilators-to-new-jersey-1277241

Here's another nefarious source:

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/nj-getting-100-additional-ventilators-from-ny-to-battle-coronavirus.html

Thanks!