The "Second Wave"

[island911]

Originally Posted by rusnak

SF Bay Area has BART, but no subways. NYC has not been able to just stop the subways from running. ...

yep.
NYC is like a hamster habitrail



But in metal boxes packed full of people going every which way..

CA, even high population LA is spread wide by comparison. And, they primarily use single occupancy metal boxes (cars.)

[DWBOX2000]

I just don't want my choice taken away. If people choose to stay inside, their choice. If I want to go outside, I think it should be my choice with my precautions. I Certainly wouldn't go to a gym but I would a supermarket. Wear a facemask, rubber gloves, keep 6 feet and hope for the best. Both sides at least still have a choice. I went to an auto parts store a couple days ago. Wore a mask, felt like an idiot and kept 6 feet from the cashier. Even scrubbed my hands afterwards. To me that is plenty.

Freedom is pretty important to me. From what I gather on the radio, The mayor of NYC talking about reporting on neighbors, CT law enforcement using drones to monitor crowds. If true, I don't like where this is going. Things hardly go backwards.

I miss bowling too.

Stay safe everyone.

[NY65912]

There is a distinct difference between going to the store with protection on and having or going to gatherings. The mayor is talking about social gatherings and events where people are in close proximity. I went to the doctor yesterday. I wore a mask and gloves, took an Uber and felt totally fine with it. There are still people out and about here doing their business. I think there may be some level of "freedom paranoia" developing.

[aigel]

Originally Posted by rusnak

SF Bay Area has BART, but no subways. NYC has not been able to just stop the subways from running. That means their initial spread will have been much higher than California. We also know that California had a really severe flu season in Fall 2019. More reported deaths than normal, but not enough to fill semi-trailers of dead bodies.

I predicted that people will blame the weather, but the reason the Bay Area doesn't have the NY problem is because they started social distancing long before anyone in NY even thought about it. The Bay Area was seeded hard and early in Santa Clara County and only held it together because local businesses took action early with WFH, spreading out the work force and county shelter in place orders ahead of the state. I was there for it and part of it and glad we did it.

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[pmax]

Originally Posted by vash

there is no way the first wave was anemic because we all stayed isolated (for the most part)?

i truly appreciate some of the States throwing opened the gates. it is a nice experiment to see what happens. i hope NOTHING.

my wife is a nurse, and so we are surrounded by them in our circle of friends. i appreciate the people staying home to keep this thing from sprinting away.

Are the nurses and doctors self isolating ?

They are at high risk of being infected and responsible for infecting and killing others.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by aigel

I predicted that people will blame the weather, but the reason the Bay Area doesn't have the NY problem is because they started social distancing long before anyone in NY even thought about it. The Bay Area was seeded hard and early in Santa Clara County and only held it together because local businesses took action early with WFH, spreading out the work force and county shelter in place orders ahead of the state. I was there for it and part of it and glad we did it.

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Many counties in the bay area are done with "flattening the curve".

Moving the goal posts is lying to the people.

[legion]

Originally Posted by pmax

Many counties in the bay area are done with "flattening the curve".

Moving the goal posts is lying to the people.

This. This was supposed to end 3 weeks ago. Now some governors are saying June and others are saying not until there is a vaccine (which may never happen).

[DWBOX2000]

Never been to LA, does it have the large volume of huge apartment buildings that NYC city has? Driving 95 through NYC, there is just no room to avoid anyone. There are these huge apartment complexes (Gov Projects I assume) that line the highway for miles. If you have seen the show Goodtimes, like the beginning of each show (though I think that's Chicago). Hallways and elevators, no way to avoid anyone.

Now my only knowledge of LA is from Boyz in the hood so obviously very, very limited knowledge. A lot of people but is houses. Is that the case or does LA have the volume of folks living in the same proximity like NYC? Curious.

[island911]

per https://www.shoupdogg.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/0506OsgoogEtAl_LANYDensity_report.pdf

[aigel]

CA has a 6 point plan what needs to be in place before turning more things back on. There are many exemptions for essential businesses and there is a lot of activity already. Look at Bay Are traffic, far from stopped! Some sectors are hit hard, others not so much because they can WFH or are meeting essential requirements. Not only the state has rolled out essential rules, the feds have too.

It is in nobody's interest to shut down the place if it isn't necessary. A lot of politicians do have a business interest to get going again, including the CA Governor. I can move around freely here and most people are following the measures, there is no law enforcement presence. For example, I do have neighbors that don't buy into it and they follow none of the rules. Nobody has hassled them, not the neighbors, leave alone law enforcement.

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[pmax]

Originally Posted by island911

per https://www.shoupdogg.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/0506OsgoogEtAl_LANYDensity_report.pdf

Good info. LA is the suburban sprawl over hundreds of square miles.

The inner cities in places like NY are hit hardest due to the housing density and lack of social distancing as a result.

[tadd]

Originally Posted by pmax

Are the nurses and doctors self isolating ?

They are at high risk of being infected and responsible for infecting and killing others.

Really?

PPE man. Just like any other work with hazardous materials. PPE.

[legion]

Now it is coming out that my governor is going to extend the stay at home order for another month.

****ing tyrant!

[jyl]

Originally Posted by pmax

Are the nurses and doctors self isolating ?

They are at high risk of being infected and responsible for infecting and killing others.

Some are trying to, but nurses don’t make much money, can’t usually afford to rent a separate hotel room or apartment. My neighborhood has some dual HCW families, they are struggling with childcare too. I’ve heard of nurses being kicked out of their isolation housing by landlords who don’t want virus exposed people.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by legion

Now it is coming out that my governor is going to extend the stay at home order for another month.

****ing tyrant!

You’ve looked at your state’s curve? I don’t see any/much flattening.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by aigel

CA has a 6 point plan what needs to be in place before turning more things back on.

The CA plan reads more like open ended goals instead of a plan where progress is measurable.

The federal government's plan in contrast is clear and objective with specific quantifiable gates for each phase.

here are many exemptions for essential businesses and there is a lot of activity already. Look at Bay Are traffic, far from stopped! Some sectors are hit hard, others not so much because they can WFH or are meeting essential requirements. Not only the state has rolled out essential rules, the feds have too.

It is in nobody's interest to shut down the place if it isn't necessary. A lot of politicians do have a business interest to get going again, including the CA Governor.

And therein lies the problem, politicians making up rules as they go. The San Jose mayor and SC county politicians are going at it right now being at odds about what's essential and what's not.

[McLovin]

I googled that 6 point plan, which the governor has held out as the “benchmarks” to be reached to determine starting re-opening.

😂

People really buy that?

“Plan” = Californians will have their freedoms given back when when the Governor says they will be given back.

[legion]

Originally Posted by jyl

You’ve looked at your state’s curve? I don’t see any/much flattening.

I don't give a ****. That's irrelevant. There is no legal basis to confine healthy people to their homes indefinitely.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by tadd

Really?

PPE man. Just like any other work with hazardous materials. PPE.

Absolutely.

Healthcare workers are catching the Wuhan flu PPE or not and many are asymptomatics so it's totally logical to have them self quarantine and avoid contact with anyone outside the health care setting until this is over.

Originally Posted by jyl

Some are trying to, but nurses don’t make much money, can’t usually afford to rent a separate hotel room or apartment. My neighborhood has some dual HCW families, they are struggling with childcare too. I’ve heard of nurses being kicked out of their isolation housing by landlords who don’t want virus exposed people.

Society will have to make a choice between safety and economics. You can't have both.

These healthcare workers going back to their families and communities is a risk vector due to the high exposure on the job. Are you suggesting we accept the risk of infecting everyone so they can live comfortably ?

[McLovin]

Newsom originally said lockdown was to #flattenthecurve so hospitals weren’t overburdened by corona virus patients.

That’s been accomplished.

So now, he believes the virus provided a great “opportunity for reimagining a [more] progressive era as it [relates] to capitalism,’‘So yes, absolutely we see this as an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern.”

Therefore no more talk about #flatteningthecurve, instead it’s an amazingly transparent “plan” that allows him to lock down Californians for as long as he deems necessary to “reshape” California in his “progressive” vision.

And their well on their way. All landlords locked out of the courthouses from bringing eviction actions for non paying tenants, indefinitely. Hotel rooms being turned into homeless shelters, indefinitely. A bill to rewrite all apartment leases and reduce rent by 50%.

Amazing 40 million people buy into that. 😜