The "Second Wave"

[rusnak]

The way I see it, we're all going to die anyway.

Some fraction of 1% will die early from the Corona virus.

Is it worth destroying 99.7% of the rest of society, their businesses, homes, retirement, and their employees' lives, homes, and make them wards of the State?

Nope. Life is going to have risk. We're still all lucky bastards even if a few of us or our parents croak early because of this thing. No reason to hit the nuclear war KILL button on the entirety of an economy that took hundreds of years to build. If you die, do it without fanfare and drama. No reason to end our entire free market way of life. No reason to just give the State so much control over our lives and our futures. No reason to be made to live like a damn helpless baby bird waiting with mouth agape for a crumb to be fed to us. Not long ago, the prevailing view would be that the American dream is the thing that must live on, even if we individuals must die. Somehow this generation has taken the opposite view. Pathetic.

[island911]

^ sanity ^

none of us get out of this alive.

[Aerkuld]

Originally Posted by island911

Bold mine. (and my point. Although I would strike the word "much." )

How I would say it: There is a second phase when they are carrying the virus but their immune response has stopped the shedding of the live virus.

The 'ideal world' of Island must be great. Unfortunately, for everyone else reality gets in the way. Anyone carrying the virus is shedding the virus. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

[Aerkuld]

Originally Posted by island911

oye.

Just go ahead and ignore all of the vectors and imagine that "broken rules" are to blame.

Sheesh, did you not see the story about the woman who put herself in complete lock down, never even went to to the grocery store. Week 3 she got CV from the food delivery. --no 'rules broken.'

I thought this was already discussed ad nauseum in another thread?
Regardless, thank you - you've done a great job of illustrating the point. First, she simply wasn't in 'complete' lock down was she. You said yourself, she got the virus from a food delivery. Extremely unlucky. Also, you're right, she didn't break the rules. But she also AVOIDED GIVING IT TO ANYONE ELSE because she followed the rules.

[rusnak]

oh mah gawwwd this is our PEARL HARBOR MOMENT and EVERYTHING WE DO is BIBLICAL because my world is THAT IMPORTANT and I want the world to STOP SPINNING so I can go run home and HIDE in my sofa fort with toilet paper and a big back of cheesy puffs and wear my PJs all day.....

Right, you pants-wetters? Calm yourself the F down and get back to work. Your parents too. Jeezus.

[p911dad]

Originally Posted by rusnak

oh mah gawwwd this is our PEARL HARBOR MOMENT and EVERYTHING WE DO is BIBLICAL because my world is THAT IMPORTANT and I want the world to STOP SPINNING so I can go run home and HIDE in my sofa fort with toilet paper and a big back of cheesy puffs and wear my PJs all day.....

Right, you pants-wetters? Calm yourself the F down and get back to work. Your parents too. Jeezus.

Yeah!!

[Tobra]

With as little as is known about this, y'all are pretty authoritative. We don't know if you develop immunity after having it, seems that would be important in a conversation about development of a vaccine. Common cold, is that the sort of thing you can have more than once? I am guessing yes, or they come up with a different name for it. I am inclined to think we will get this more than once, or it mutates to get past the immune system down the road.

Bottom line is there are folks messing around with viruses and are not being as meticulous as they should be with their lab practices. Eventually they come up with a genie that can't be stopped, and civilization goes back to the monkeys, like in Planet of the Apes.

Originally Posted by legion

Can people with a cold or flu virus be asymptomatic? Do we lock everyone up so that people with vulnerable immune systems don't die from them?

We used to go the other direction on this sort of deal

[legion]

Apparently there is a huge concentration in New York of people with vulnerable immune systems. But the rest of the country is locked up to protect them.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/nearly-all-ny-coronavirus-patients-suffered-underlying-health-issue-study-finds

A new study by a medical journal revealed that most of the people in New York City who were hospitalized due to coronavirus had one or more underlying health issues.

[greglepore]

The doctors here seem to have a point of view.

I have no issue with localizing restrictions. Y'all open the gates if you want, I just have 2 requests-you can't ban travel in, but you have to ban travel out for a quarantine period.

Oh yeah, and this "harmless" virus is now cause to ban ALL immigration? Can't have it both ways.

[legion]

The government has no legitimate authority to lock healthy people in their homes. The fact that anyone thinks this okay is incredibly disturbing.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by legion

Apparently there is a huge concentration in New York of people with vulnerable immune systems. But the rest of the country is locked up to protect them.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/nearly-all-ny-coronavirus-patients-suffered-underlying-health-issue-study-finds

Good to know!!!!
As a nation only about 38% of adults have those underlying conditions!

About four in ten adults (37.6%) ages 18 and older in the U.S. (92.6 million people) have a higher risk of developing serious illness if they become infected with coronavirus, due to their older age (65 and older) or health condition (Figure 1; Table 1).

Just over half of those at higher risk of developing a serious illness are ages 65 and older (55.2% or 51.1 million adults); however, the remaining 41.4 million adults ages 18-64 are at risk due to an underlying medical condition.


https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/how-many-adults-are-at-risk-of-serious-illness-if-infected-with-coronavirus/

[URY914]

Originally Posted by legion

The government has no legitimate authority to lock healthy people in their homes. The fact that anyone thinks this okay is incredibly disturbing.

Which states or cities have locked people in their homes?

[tadd]

I just don't understand why Legion and gooz just don't go about their business.

What is the worst that happens? They get a fine. I'm sure like most they drive above the speed limit too.

I for one am quite curious as to how they are being downtrodden. What is it you cannot do? Is there no way to modify your jobs to work?

I personally shut down and moved equipment from a military base to where I would have access to it all by my lonesome... just because the base got locked down and I would not have access.

[tttoon]

Originally Posted by legion

...the rest of the country is locked up to protect them.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/nearly-all-ny-coronavirus-patients-suffered-underlying-health-issue-study-finds

We've got doctors in their fifties dying of Covid-19 here, would you say it's not worth it to protect them?

You keep saying that this is less bad than a common cold, something which is patently not true, and it's much more contagious, so you're deluded if you think it will not reach your community. I think people dying alone at home or in a hospital corridor before being buried in a trench is something we should avoid, no?

[legion]

This virus isn't going away. The lockdown is security theater. If anyone thinks they can control this thing, they are being arrogant.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by tttoon

We've got doctors in their fifties dying of Covid-19 here, would you say it's not worth it to protect them?

You keep saying that this is less bad than a common cold, something which is patently not true, and it's much more contagious, so you're deluded if you think it will not reach your community. I think people dying alone at home or in a hospital corridor before being buried in a trench is something we should avoid, no?

You know it's an election year when people tell me to protect doctors by staying at home. You are going to be exposed to it, period. Whether that means you die or not is not a matter of government policy.

[NY65912]

I'm amazed at some of the things I read on the this board. First wave no where as bad?

Legion, come to NYC and if you have the balls go into the hospitals and see what is going on.

My niece is the director of the ER in a Brooklyn hospital that is like a war zone.

I am hearing horrifying stories from the building engineers in the city hospitals that my company works with everyday. My company has the JOCs contract for plumbing for the NYC Heath & Hospitals Corp. I have seen multiple reefer trailers parked outside of hospitals to hold the bodies until the completely overwhelmed funeral homes can take care of the huge demand.

Tell my wife that it wasn't so bad when she lost her brother this week or my co-worker who had is wife on a ventilator for 20 days and is still in rough shape, or my neighbor that lost a daughter.

Lots of smart people on this board saying a lot of stupid things since they all believe that the fearless leader. He has no clue as to what is going on or how to lead this country.

[rusnak]

^ that's really awful and very sad.

But your outrage should be directed at the Chinese. Not the President.

Furthermore, how does anything that is written here have any relation to what is going on in your home town? How does social distancing and locking down prevent the virus from spreading eventually?

Can you stipulate that at best, the government lockdown is slowing the spread, or is it your belief that social distancing will actually halt the spread of this insidious virus?

[group911@aol.co]

Mike. You nailed it. They're some brave keyboard warriors, as long as "other people" take care of it.

Originally Posted by NY65912

I'm amazed at some of the things I read on the this board. First wave no where as bad?

Legion, come to NYC and if you have the balls go into the hospitals and see what is going on.

My niece is the director of the ER in a Brooklyn hospital that is like a war zone.

I am hearing horrifying stories from the building engineers in the city hospitals that my company works with everyday. My company has the JOCs contract for plumbing for the NYC Heath & Hospitals Corp. I have seen multiple reefer trailers parked outside of hospitals to hold the bodies until the completely overwhelmed funeral homes can take care of the huge demand.

Tell my wife that it wasn't so bad when she lost her brother this week or my co-worker who had is wife on a ventilator for 20 days and is still in rough shape, or my neighbor that lost a daughter.

Lots of smart people on this board saying a lot of stupid things since they all believe that the fearless leader. He has no clue as to what is going on or how to lead this country.

[URY914]

Last Sunday's 60 Minutes had a story about NYNY. If I remember correctly they have 200 reefer trailers being used to store victims with more on standby. 200!