Smith and Wesson Model 19

[MRM]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Both my sons are stubborn as well. I've long maintained they got it from their mother.

And no amount of arguing about it will change your mind, right?

[aigel]

IMHO the quality on S&W is still there to this day, you can't go wrong with any of their products. I went and looked at a couple reviews of that carry 19 and it looks solid.

That said, that is a big and heavy piece for a carry gun 34 ounces. Why not go down to a classic 36 / 60 as posted above? Lighter (19 oz), smaller, no internal lock, and the .38+P will make a fine self defense round unless he needs it in the woods against dangerous game as well. And if you buy a classic non-lock gun like that, you can always get your money out of it when it is time to try something else.

Cheers,

G

[Chocaholic]

S&W’s Performances Center turns a truly great firearm into a sublime masterpiece. Treated my self a couple years ago and never regretted the few extra bucks. The trigger, OMG, did I mention the trigger? And the finishing level is off the charts.

Whichever revolver you select, it may be worth seeing if there is a Performance Center version. The lad will have a rare treasure that he will never forget.

[aigel]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

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Whichever revolver you select, it may be worth seeing if there is a Performance Center version. The lad will have a rare treasure that he will never forget.

The 19 that Seahawk posted is a performance center gun. $1112 MSRP
That reinforces my point. You can get a hell of a nice S&W pre-lock gun for less than that ...

G

[Bill Douglas]

NICE gun Mike.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

....

Mama said....if ya ain't got something nice to say...

Mike....you have a beautiful wife, beautuful dogs, and a gun

I didn't always listen

[DavidI]

Beautiful handgun and fantastic gift Paul! Congrats to your son, David

[speeder]

Yes, congratulations to young Jack.

I have one of those little S&W Air Weight 38 specials, (model 36?), we cannot CC in CA. but I always thought of CC as a defense against being mugged or carjacked, close range type of thing. A 38 special FMJ round to the head or upper chest is more than enough unless you are being carjacked by a grizzly bear.

If I was far enough away from the bad guy, I'd try to run or take cover even if I was armed. There are rare instances where an armed citizen has stopped a mass shooter, (Texas church recently), that might want for more gun and only works if the operator is really trained and skilled, like the Texas church dude. Your son probably fits in that category.

[speeder]

And Mike, that pistol of yours looks too nice to fire!

[craigster59]

I shot Joe Bob's Air Weight with a 357 load. No bueno!

[speeder]

Originally Posted by craigster59

I shot Joe Bob's Air Weight with a 357 load. No bueno!

There is no reason to do that. A 38 special FMJ round will kill a horse.

[GH85Carrera]

I went shooting with a buddy and I was firing my .38 and he was running .38 through his .357 and we were having fun killing paper targets.

He handed me his .357 and let me shoot it. He had two .38s and then a hot load .357 round. Wow, what a difference. I was not expecting the hot load. I knew then why some guys like a .357 stopping power.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I went shooting with a buddy and I was firing my .38 and he was running .38 through his .357 and we were having fun killing paper targets.

He handed me his .357 and let me shoot it. He had two .38s and then a hot load .357 round. Wow, what a difference. I was not expecting the hot load. I knew then why some guys like a .357 stopping power.

And that's the appeal of .45ACP....more "stopping power" than a .357 mag...but in a VERY tame gun to control and shoot .

And if ya think a .357 mag bites....a .44 mag is brutal

I have 'em all....and Gawd bless JMB and the Col

[Seahawk]

I am shedding a whole bunch of handguns. Well, "shedding" means giving them to my son.

I decided to focus on two handguns, my Belgium Browning 9m and my Ruger Vacaro in Colt .45.

The Vacaro is my home defense weapon and I am extremely comfortable with it. It fits me well and has features that make it extremely practical in the role I have assigned it.

The Browning I bought in 1988 from a friend of mine. It was my SV2 carry pistol on two cruises and during GW one. It has a lot of memories in the magazine. That plus it is easy on my wrists!

I also decided to get really competent with one specific pistol. I had a lot of work done to the gun by a custom shop in Virginia and I could not be more pleased. In the past year I have put a lot of rounds though it and, with my son's instruction, have become very, very proficient with it: The beauty of having you own range

Again, I appreciate all the input. Jack is a really solid young man and this is his choice and my pleasure to get it for him.

[MRM]

My son has a no dash Model 19 and loves it. It is a total tack driver. Congratulations to young Jack and tell him to enjoy his sidearm!

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by speeder

There is no reason to do that. A 38 special FMJ round will kill a horse.

Well, yeah, even a .22 will kill a horse if you put one behind the ear. The main reason for not shooting .357 (or .44) mag out of a snubbie is the significantly reduced performance. Their performance is reduced to essentially not much more than that of the .38 and .44 Specials.

Oh, and I do like your little J-frame Smith. Those are just nifty little revolvers. The real beauty of guns like that is that those of who legally can, actually do carry them. Once a carry piece exceeds a certain size, and we have to make special allowances in our clothing to hide them, they tend to get left at home.

Here are my two smallest carry guns, the ones I grab in the summer, when shorts and tee shirts are the norm. Granted, to be honest, I really don't carry much at all, unless it's out in the woods, but if I really feel I should, these two are pretty concealable.

The revolver is the old Charter Arms Bulldog Pug in .44 Special. It's about the size of your little Smith, it just has bigger holes in it. I think it weighs about 17 ounces. With careful handloading, I manage to launch a 250 grain semi-wadcutter at about 850 fps out of this little guy. Recoil is what I would call "noticeable", but I'm pretty sure it hurts more on the other end.

[KFC911]

That's so cool Paul...

But this thread is far from over....it's who we are !

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I am shedding a whole bunch of handguns. Well, "shedding" means giving them to my son.

I decided to focus on two handguns, my Belgium Browning 9m and my Ruger Vacaro in Colt .45.

The Vacaro is my home defense weapon and I am extremely comfortable with it. It fits me well and has features that make it extremely practical in the role I have assigned it.

The Browning I bought in 1988 from a friend of mine. It was my SV2 carry pistol on two cruises and during GW one. It has a lot of memories in the magazine. That plus it is easy on my wrists!

I also decided to get really competent with one specific pistol. I had a lot of work done to the gun by a custom shop in Virginia and I could not be more pleased. In the past year I have put a lot of rounds though it and, with my son's instruction, have become very, very proficient with it: The beauty of having you own range

Again, I appreciate all the input. Jack is a really solid young man and this is his choice and my pleasure to get it for him.

I love it - what a coincidence, my Vaquero is my "home defense" handgun as well. Some folks might question the use of a single action for this duty, but, as you have found, they have a lot going for them.

The biggest (smallest?) issue in my house is the size of my wife's hands. Even a Model 19, or even a gun like Denis's, is simply too big for her to comfortably reach the trigger. A single action is about all she can hold comfortably. That is our biggest driving factor.

Beyond that, its simplicity of operation and its dead reliability are appealing as well. They are also one of the "safest" action types to keep around fully loaded. And, finally, there is nothing wrong with the grand old .45 Colt as a defensive round. In a bigger, heavier gun like the Vaquero, its recoil and blast are not too intimidating for a lady to practice with, which is a big deal as well.

[KFC911]

My hand spoons stay "safe".
Fiocchi defensive load buckshot out of a 20" bbl.....spread is shaped like football at say 30'...and very tame compared to regular buck. Game over when it's not a "game" anymore.

The stopping power of 4 .45ACP rounds...all at once....or so they say .

[speeder]

I like big guns that really go “boom” and I have a few but the key to CC is the concealed part, IMO. That little 5-shot Airweight is so light and small that you can put it in your jeans pocket or jacket pocket and it hardly sags. I can completely conceal it in the palm of my hand! I could pull it out of my front pants pocket and have it in my hand without someone noticing, if they weren’t really paying attention.

I like all of the guns mentioned or pictured in this thread. They are all true self-defense or close combat weapons. Not being the expert that some of you guys are on guns, I just stick to the premium brands and it’s done well for me.