Sweden Did It Wrong

[island911]

ANd off to the weeds we go... ^

Shaun, some years have more damaging flu strains than other years. See 1918 for example.

[Sooner or later]

2017 2018 was the peak year with an estimated range of 46,000 to 95,000

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

2017 2018 was the peak year with an estimated range of 46,000 to 95,000

Yup hence my comment. Some cities, including NYC, had field hospitals set up in the streets to provide flu diagnosis and treatment to avoid flu patients from coming into contact with other patients. Sound familiar? Funny how how I don’t recall a widespread panic.....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/health/flu-deaths-vaccine.amp.html

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Yup hence my comment. Some cities, including NYC, had field hospitals set up in the streets to provide flu diagnosis and treatment to avoid flu patients from coming into contact with other patients. Sound familiar? Funny how how I don’t recall a widespread panic.....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/health/flu-deaths-vaccine.amp.html

We actually had a vaccine. Those are complete year totals. And there was no changes in lifestyle.

The current situation has no vaccine. We still have 6 months to go for a complete year. And the Covid numbers are lower due to mitigation that have been put into place that were not in place with that peak flu season.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

We actually had a vaccine. Those are complete year totals. And there was no changes in lifestyle.

The current situation has no vaccine. We still have 6 months to go for a complete year. And the Covid numbers are lower due to mitigation that have been put into place that were not in place with that peak flu season.

Don’t forget we also have vastly overstated numbers, mass testing, and political and financial motivation. I don’t recall hospitals being paid by the patients for flu sickness.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Yup hence my comment. Some cities, including NYC, had field hospitals set up in the streets to provide flu diagnosis and treatment to avoid flu patients from coming into contact with other patients. Sound familiar? Funny how how I don’t recall a widespread panic.....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/health/flu-deaths-vaccine.amp.html

I'm glad you found a good year for people dying from the flu.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Don’t forget we also have vastly overstated numbers, mass testing, and political and financial motivation. I don’t recall hospitals being paid by the patients for flu sickness.

Again with the alt-Right lies. Hospitals lose money treating CV19. All the juicy elective surgeries, those aren't happening. Man, I am honestly surprised how much of an intellectual, groupthink affirming cocoon you've built for yourself.

in other news, good advice on the technician, hired an awesome guy two weeks ago, already giving him a raise, so thanks!

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

I'm glad you found a good year for people dying from the flu.

Two years ago, seems pretty relevant to the conversation at hand. 80,000 people dead and nobody blinked.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Nobody blinked because 80,000 is less than half 190,000. Doing the math, 190,000 / 80,000 is 2.4.

Let's put that into 911 terms. 10 years ago a 1981 SC was $15,000. Nobody thought that was anything. Today, an SC is $36,000 or 2.4 times the price 10 years. Everyone thinks that's a big deal. And you have blinked at that price.

See?

And honestly, the flu was known with a history or fluctuating death rate. So you can see why no one cared.

This is pretty basic logic.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Again with the alt-Right lies. Hospitals lose money treating CV19. All the juicy elective surgeries, those aren't happening. Man, I am honestly surprised how much of an intellectual, groupthink affirming cocoon you've built for yourself.

in other news, good advice on the technician, hired an awesome guy two weeks ago, already giving him a raise, so thanks!

Good news on the tech!

Feel free to smear me all you want, but it does tend to dilute your argument when you stoop to insults. I have a number of medical professionals in my family and have received that from multiple sources. Because what you’re not considering is that many hospital patients don’t pay a dime because they are homeless or poor. So now the hospitals have the path to recognize some revenue, if only they test positive or have the symptoms of CV. I know how you love big businesses Shawn, so let’s not forget that hospitals are big businesses with a P&L.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

It's not smearing at all Matt. I am honest to God concerned for you.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Nobody blinked because 80,000 is less than half 190,000. Doing the math, 190,000 / 80,000 is 2.4.

Let's put that into 911 terms. 10 years ago a 1981 SC was $15,000. Nobody thought that was anything. Today, an SC is $36,000 or 2.4 times the price 10 years ago. Everyone thinks that's a big deal. And you have blinked at that price.

See?

And honestly, the flu was known with a history or fluctuating death rate. So you can see why no one cared.

This is pretty basic logic.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Don’t forget we also have vastly overstated numbers, mass testing, and political and financial motivation. I don’t recall hospitals being paid by the patients for flu sickness.

I don't believe the Covid numbers are vastly overstated. Keep in mind the flu numbers are only estimates from FluNet based on doctor/hospital visits and deaths are not actually counted.

So, if you question the number of covid deaths you really should be concerned about the far less accurate flu death total.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Again with the alt-Right lies. Hospitals lose money treating CV19. All the juicy elective surgeries, those aren't happening. Man, I am honestly surprised how much of an intellectual, groupthink affirming cocoon you've built for yourself.

in other news, good advice on the technician, hired an awesome guy two weeks ago, already giving him a raise, so thanks!

I don't know about other states but Oklahoma has normal hospital elective surgery operations in place. Been that way for at least two months.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

I don't believe the Covid numbers are vastly overstated. Keep in mind the flu numbers are only estimates from FluNet based on doctor/hospital visits and deaths are not actually counted.

Really?! Anybody who tested positive for CV was counted. Car accidents, violent crime, heart attack, if you test positive for CV you were counted. You don’t think that was/is disingenuous?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Really?! Anybody who tested positive for CV was counted. Car accidents, violent crime, heart attack, if you test positive for CV you were counted. You don’t think that was/is disingenuous?

Those cases are overblown and account for a tiny percent of total cases and deaths.

I do believe the current case panic is over the top. Of course those numbers were going to go up. We are testing more with more sensitive tests with some state economies opened up.

Even with that, the number of US cases has declined over the last 5 weeks (flat this week from prior week). US daily deaths have been on a steady downward trend for the same 5 straight weeks. Hospitals have plenty of capacity.

My stance is the middle of the road between you and Shaun. It is far more serious than them flu but not so serious at the current time that the economy needs to be further decimated. Overall, key metrics are positive at the current time.

[beepbeep]

Covid != flu. Despite lockdowns and draconian measures, Covid seems to have 5 to 10 higher death rate than flu. That's rather serious.

To get back to Sweden, we are doing quite fine right now. Denmark and Norway have currently larger number of cases. Time will tell.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

It's not smearing at all Matt. I am honest to God concerned for you.

I appreciate your concern, I’m doing great!

[island911]

The counting methods have not been consistent.

In the US hospitals have been incentivized to count anything that appears to be Covid as Covid. (note how much more Covid count the US had/has than the ROW)

Otherwise healthy people rarely died from the Wuhan Virus. Apparently some people's systems would over react in trying to rid the body of the virus.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

I don't believe the Covid numbers are vastly overstated. Keep in mind the flu numbers are only estimates from FluNet based on doctor/hospital visits and deaths are not actually counted.

So, if you question the number of covid deaths you really should be concerned about the far less accurate flu death total.

You beat me to it. Flu deaths are not even counted, anywhere, yet the same people who claim that Covid19 death numbers are part of some fake conspiracy will trot out the supposed flu death figures with no idea that they are not counted. Covid numbers are, by every health department from the smallest towns to the federal government.

But of course, they are all part of a vast conspiracy to shut down Trump rallies and tittie bars.

Originally Posted by beepbeep

Covid != flu. Despite lockdowns and draconian measures, Covid seems to have 5 to 10 higher death rate than flu. That's rather serious.

To get back to Sweden, we are doing quite fine right now. Denmark and Norway have currently larger number of cases. Time will tell.

Covid isn’t not the flu. Alt-right guys, tell me about the last flu season when thousands of doctors and nurses died from working in ERs, treating flu patients?