Sweden Did It Wrong

[speeder]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Really?! Anybody who tested positive for CV was counted. Car accidents, violent crime, heart attack, if you test positive for CV you were counted. You don’t think that was/is disingenuous?

That is a conspiracy theory, propaganda talking point and complete BS. You diminish any argument you make when you post such things.

[legion]

Read the CDC guidelines. Anyone suspected of having CV-19 is counted. Anyone who dies after a positive test is counted (no matter the cause). Never mind that the tests aren't very accurate.

[Sooner or later]

I see where they have temporarily halted the AstraZeneca trial. One participant had a severe reaction.

[1990C4S]

This thread explains a lot of Covid control issues around the world.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by speeder

That is a conspiracy theory, propaganda talking point and complete BS. You diminish any argument you make when you post such things.

Actually that’s totally untrue Denis. Feel free to do your own research, there are a number of interviews and articles down to the local level documenting this fact.

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Hospitals lose money treating CV19. All the juicy elective surgeries, those aren't happening.

And that sharp decline in revenue is exactly what motivates (some) hospital admins to take advantage of the CARES act tiered reimbursement program for cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. It is not a "conspiracy" that incentivized medicine/care will always invite some level of impropriety, even if relatively small. And in many cases the motivation to do so is arguably well-intended. IOW, hospital admins faced with the difficult decision of laying off staff vs. "strong guidance" for CV upcoding may be more incline to choose the latter.

This is a well known phenomenon, and really came to light during the initial AIDS outbreak. The CDC director himself has acknowledged that it's a "thing".

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by speeder

That is a conspiracy theory, propaganda talking point and complete BS. You diminish any argument you make when you post such things.

No, it's a reality, and well-documented. Here is just one instance from WA state:

DOH Admits Inflated Covid 19 Death Numbers

[RWebb]

here is a less biased report:

https://komonews.com/news/local/state-epidemiologists-covid-19-related-deaths-likely-being-undercounted-in-wa

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

2017 2018 was the peak year with an estimated range of 46,000 to 95,000

Every flu's counted the same except for the flu which originated from Wuhan.

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates/April_November_14.htm#UnderCounting
Under-Counting of Flu-Related Deaths

CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year. There are several reasons for this:


First, states are not required to report individual seasonal flu cases or deaths of people older than 18 years of age to CDC.

Second, seasonal influenza is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications.

Third, many seasonal flu-related deaths occur one or two weeks after a person’s initial infection, either because the person may develop a secondary bacterial co-infection (such as a staph infection) or because seasonal influenza can aggravate an existing chronic illness (such as congestive heart failure or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).

Also, most people who die from seasonal flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when seasonal influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples. Influenza tests are most likely to detect influenza if performed soon after onset of illness.

For these reasons, many flu-related deaths may not be recorded on death certificates.

[RWebb]

https://www.aap.com.au/claims-on-cdc-data-for-covid-19-incorrect-say-experts/

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey

And that sharp decline in revenue is exactly what motivates (some) hospital admins to take advantage of the CARES act tiered reimbursement program for cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. It is not a "conspiracy" that incentivized medicine/care will always invite some level of impropriety, even if relatively small. And in many cases the motivation to do so is arguably well-intended. IOW, hospital admins faced with the difficult decision of laying off staff vs. "strong guidance" for CV upcoding may be more incline to choose the latter.

This is a well known phenomenon, and really came to light during the initial AIDS outbreak. The CDC director himself has acknowledged that it's a "thing".

Oh Good Lord. You aren't one of those Q morons, are you Eric?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Oh Good Lord. You aren't one of those Q morons, are you Eric?

Careful, now. Webb will be on you for a personal attack outside of PARF.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Careful, now. Webb will be on you for a personal attack outside of PARF.

Oh, I was just asking if Eric was a Star Trek Next Generation fan. I'm sure he'd be great as a cosplay Wesley.

[Tobra]

Anyone with a brain in their head knows the numbers are BS.


The hospitals get paid 100% of charges for each CCP virus test, up until the end of this month I believe. The compensation is also much more favorable with this diagnosis.

They are testing the heck out of everyone, multiple tests, whether they came up positive yesterday or not.

If you understand how the PCR test works, it would also make you more skeptical about the numbers too.

Shaun is honestly concerned about Matt, thanks again Shaun, I need a bit of levity lately.

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

It's not smearing at all Matt. I am honest to God concerned for you.

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Oh Good Lord. You aren't one of those Q morons, are you Eric?

Huh? No. You aren't one of those "truth over facts" morons, are you Shaun?

Oh, and that's not a smear at all Shaun. I am honest to God concerned for you. ()

Keep working at it, and one day you will overcome your acute allergy to facts and logic. We are all pulling for you!

In the meantime, I'll state again:

The CDC Director (Dr. Redfield) and the Asst. Sec. of HHS (Adm Giroir) have both acknowledged that it's a thing.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

You would make a great Wesley!

[brainz01]

Great video with a lot of data analysis on Covid trends, Sweden, masks, and the dreaded second wave.

https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

[island911]

^

[brainz01]

More data and a comparison of outcomes:

https://youtu.be/eOvOHiuKS40

[McLovin]