Sweden Did It Wrong

[RSBob]

Don’t remember the name of the member who conjectured about the brilliance of Sweden’s approach to snuffing out CV19 by using herd immunity. Their name is not important, but what is important is what an utter failure there approach turned out to be documented in many publications but summarized nicely here: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/sweden-coronavirus-herd-immunity

Here is a cut and paste of their accelerating infection and death curve. The red bar is deaths and the orange are infected people from Wikipedia



My prediction on the Did it Right thread was that their approach was doomed to failure, and unfortunately it came true. Teyhass and Floriduh went down nearly identical rabbit holes, through denial, thanks to their stellar leaders.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by RSBob

. . . Teyhass and Floriduh went down nearly identical rabbit holes, through denial, thanks to their stellar leaders.

With regard to TexASS, the blame also lies squarely with many of the residents here, that without the man explicitly forbidding it, decided that their hedonistic needs should not take a back seat to deferred gratification and common (uncommon?) sense (aka - any excuse to go buckwild with fingers in the air, regardless of potential consequences for themselves, and certainly not for others). Freeeeedooooooommmmmmm, ya'll !!!!!

[livi]

It is not the "strategy" but the demography. Namely our leftist leaders and media that for decades have forced a massmigration of tightly packed, illiterate people to our country. An overwhelmingly large part of those that have been hospitalized and died are immigrants. If Sweden had the same level of immigration as our neighboor Nordic countries we would likely have had a similar death rate, relatively speaking.
So once again, in yet another area, the completely bonkers immigration policies have shown to be disastrous for Sweden.

[island911]

That's really interesting Marcus.

When I was visiting Norway I wondered about all the transplanted dark skinned people and how they would fair without fair skin. -Specifically Vitamin D absorption/synthesis. (low sun and high melanin don't play well, I suspect) ...Norsk are pretty much pigment free.

And here we are...

In one study it was found that 100% of ICU COVID-19 patients less than 75 years old had vitamin D insufficiency.

per: https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/05/04/vitamin-d-covid-19-evidence-so-far-14763

[Rawknees'Turbo]

^^^

How in the flying faaaak, in this day and age, does someone allow themselves to be vitamin D deficient (information about it readily available, many foods vitamin D fortified, supplements dirt cheap, etc.)?! I guess a combination of ignorance and stupidity?

[island911]

Again, if we compare Sweden to the State of New York...



Note the Scale on the Y-axis.

[island911]

Yeah Raw, they eat lots of fish up there yet Swedes still crave sun, and getting vitamin D the old fashion way.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

She could visit here and sunbath anytime!!!

[livi]

Originally Posted by island911

That's really interesting Marcus.

When I was visiting Norway I wondered about all the transplanted dark skinned people and how they would fair without fair skin. -Specifically Vitamin D absorption/synthesis. (low sun and high melanin don't play well, I suspect) ...Norsk are pretty much pigment free.

And here we are...
per: https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/05/04/vitamin-d-covid-19-evidence-so-far-14763

There you have it. Vitamin D deficiancy being yet another PC signalement for MENA immigrants.
Mind you, a lot of Swedish people have Vit D levels below the set limits with no health problems at all. That is particularly true with children.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

^^^

How in the flying faaaak, in this day and age, does someone allow themselves to be vitamin D deficient (information about it readily available, many foods vitamin D fortified, supplements dirt cheap, etc.)?! I guess a combination of ignorance and stupidity?

Certain chronic illness can lead to Vitamin D deficiency regardless of sun exposure or nutrition... (EG: Diabetes)

[CurtEgerer]

Let's try having some perspective without the influence of the media news fearmongers - we're talking about 1000ths of 1% chance of dying from the Chinese Virus. The recent spike in cases is largely a result of a huge increase in testing and has not been accompanied by a similar increase in deaths. Even if it did, the Las Vegas death odds wouldn't change much.

2020 vehicle accident deaths are down to historically-low numbers as a result of the nationwide lockdown. Thousands of lives have been saved - knowing this, can we risk even one additional vehicle accident death by venturing outside of our homes in the future? Turn the news off for a couple of weeks and live your lives You'll all feel much better.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by CurtEgerer

Let's try having some perspective without the influence of the media news fearmongers - we're talking about 1000ths of 1% chance of dying from the Chinese Virus. The recent spike in cases is largely a result of a huge increase in testing and has not been accompanied by a similar increase in deaths. Even if it did, the Las Vegas death odds wouldn't change much.

2020 vehicle accident deaths are down to historically-low numbers as a result of the nationwide lockdown. Thousands of lives have been saved - knowing this, can we risk even one additional vehicle accident death by venturing outside of our homes in the future? Turn the news off for a couple of weeks and live your lives You'll all feel much better.

Amen! Btw per the numbers on Worldometer, Sweden has slightly more deaths per million than the USA and slightly less cases per million. All without shutting down and decimating their country. Are you guys SURE they didn’t have the better approach?

[G50]

No, it’s still too early to know if their approach works or not.

You can see in the link in the OP that it’s from Wired. Infotainment and highly politically motivated places like Wired, Vox etc are ok but shouldn’t be treated as objective news sources, or even close.

[Tobra]

what an utter failure there approach turned out to be

[tabs]

Originally Posted by livi

It is not the "strategy" but the demography. Namely our leftist leaders and media that for decades have forced a massmigration of tightly packed, illiterate people to our country. An overwhelmingly large part of those that have been hospitalized and died are immigrants. If Sweden had the same level of immigration as our neighboor Nordic countries we would likely have had a similar death rate, relatively speaking.
So once again, in yet another area, the completely bonkers immigration policies have shown to be disastrous for Sweden.

So that's how Sweden is perpetrating Genocide.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

With regard to TexASS, the blame also lies squarely with many of the residents here, that without the man explicitly forbidding it, decided that their hedonistic needs should not take a back seat to deferred gratification and common (uncommon?) sense (aka - any excuse to go buckwild with fingers in the air, regardless of potential consequences for themselves, and certainly not for others). Freeeeedooooooommmmmmm, ya'll !!!!!

Largely agree..not evey word mid ya, but agree.

[livi]

Originally Posted by tabs

So that's how Sweden is perpetrating Genocide.

Well, we started the Institute for racebiology in Uppsala 1922 in order to gather scientific grounds for racehygenic measures and we sure as heck were not unwilling to help Adolf transport his soldiers - so yes, we do as best we can. My people is unfortunately suffering from a very unhealthy pussyfication, that would have the old Vikings turn in their graves.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

With regard to TexASS, the blame also lies squarely with many of the residents here, that without the man explicitly forbidding it, decided that their hedonistic needs should not take a back seat to deferred gratification and common (uncommon?) sense (aka - any excuse to go buckwild with fingers in the air, regardless of potential consequences for themselves, and certainly not for others). Freeeeedooooooommmmmmm, ya'll !!!!!

Meh, yes, there are folks that are not worried about it because they think it's no big deal, a hoax, whatever, but those same folks exist everywhere else.

Texas is actually doing really well, far better than most places. We've had a lot of cases recently, but we've also got a ton of people in the state, so there should be a ton of cases. When you look at the cases/million and deaths/million, we are way down the list.

For cases and deaths per million, we are 30 out of 50 which is pretty impressive since we are 2 out of 50 in total population.

Florida is worse, but still not at the top of the list.

[Sooner or later]

We won't know if Sweden did it right for possibly a long time.

If we find a 100% cure next week they did it wrong.
If I immunity lasts for years and they are over and done with it a year before anyone else they did it right.

[masraum]

There's also talk that there are multiple strains of CV, and that the west coast of the US got one strain from China, and the east coast got another strain from Europe, and that the two strains vary in virulence and mortality.

I've also heard that it's possible that certain blood types react differently to the virus. What I've heard is that type O has a mild reaction while type A has a more extreme reaction.

Both of those are, I believe, still possibilities/theories.