The new 911 turbo is quick

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

you can go online and watch race after race without the tesla slowing down. its about 2% battery loss per run, and the car doesnt start pulling power until below ~35%

so, you have 25-30 runs before you have to plug in again. i dont know of any sub 100k dollar car, that runs 9s, that can do it 25 times without MAJOR overhaul.

ICE is dead at the drag strip. at least for street cars.

There have been a number of tests where Teslas have gone into a reduced power mode after multiple full acceleration runs.

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Unless somebody has data to the contrary, the current 911 turbo S is capable of a better 1/4 ET than the currently available quickest trim tesla

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

Actually, the opening post was 0-60, not 1/4 mile ET...

yeah, and in 0-60 the tesla DOMINATES the 911 turbo. like its not even close. there is no argument the tesla is quicker 0-60. thats why folks started switching to 1/4 mile times, at least the turbo has a decent shot at it in a 1/4 mile.

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I think the subject switched to 1/4 mile times when you posted "ICE is dead at the dragstrip" and followed up with as far as I can tell are promised 1/4 mile times for some future tesla mode, and what I believe to be a false claim that a tesla can run many back to back 1/4 mile times without gaining time

Fact of the matter is the current 911 turbo S is faster and quicker than any current tesla, with the exception of the launch (which was conceded in the very first post).

Tesla are cool and interesting cars. Its crazy how fast EV sedans can be. It doesnt take anything away from how absurdly fast the 911 turbo S is. I guess we will wait to see if elon's 2nd gen roadster.

911 Turbo S's true Kryptonite is the Maclaren 765 or 720s.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

yeah, and in 0-60 the tesla DOMINATES the 911 turbo. like its not even close. there is no argument the tesla is quicker 0-60. thats why folks started switching to 1/4 mile times, at least the turbo has a decent shot at it in a 1/4 mile.

Jesus Christ, man...the Porsche is a sports car, (actually a luxurious model of a sports car), and it isn’t designed for drag racing. Neither is the Tesla, for that matter. I like them both but the Porsche outperforms the Tesla in every important measure. The magazine article I linked put the 911 turbo at a few hundredths of a second slower from 0-60, not sure if that is what you meant by putting “dominates” in all caps.

In anything other than a 1/8th mile drag race, the Porsche walks all over the Tesla and it’s virtually equal in the 1/8th mile. Electric cars are sort of one-trick ponies when it comes to off-the-line acceleration. On a road course, rolling start race from any speed, handling in a canyon, the 911 rules. I know which one I’d rather have.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by speeder

Jesus Christ, man...the Porsche is a sports car, (actually a luxurious model of a sports car), and it isn’t designed for drag racing. Neither is the Tesla, for that matter. I like them both but the Porsche outperforms the Tesla in every important measure. The magazine article I linked put the 911 turbo at a few hundredths of a second slower from 0-60, not sure if that is what you meant by putting “dominates” in all caps.

In anything other than a 1/8th mile drag race, the Porsche walks all over the Tesla and it’s virtually equal in the 1/8th mile. Electric cars are sort of one-trick ponies when it comes to off-the-line acceleration. On a road course, rolling start race from any speed, handling in a canyon, the 911 rules. I know which one I’d rather have.

it was your metric. you started the thread.

the tesla wins any drag race so far mentioned.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by speeder

Jesus Christ, man...the Porsche is a sports car, (actually a luxurious model of a sports car), and it isn’t designed for drag racing. Neither is the Tesla, for that matter. I like them both but the Porsche outperforms the Tesla in every important measure. The magazine article I linked put the 911 turbo at a few hundredths of a second slower from 0-60, not sure if that is what you meant by putting “dominates” in all caps.

In anything other than a 1/8th mile drag race, the Porsche walks all over the Tesla and it’s virtually equal in the 1/8th mile. Electric cars are sort of one-trick ponies when it comes to off-the-line acceleration. On a road course, rolling start race from any speed, handling in a canyon, the 911 rules. I know which one I’d rather have.

Also, how about a lowest ET over a 500 miles highway trip?

[speeder]

I said that the 911 turbo is quick and I was right. It’s the second quickest car from 0-60 they have ever tested and within a hair of the fastest, some Tesla. It’s a stupendously quick car.

Serious question, are you a boozer? I know that it’s not easy being in St. Paul, MN. this time of year, even without the pandemic. You seem to be looking for a fight where none exists?

[speeder]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

Also, how about a lowest ET over a 500 miles highway trip?

Hell, let’s make it a 3000 mile trip, NY-SF. The Tesla would see the 911 going the other way, going home.

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or you know an actual drag race, 1/4 mile as previously mentioned many times, where the Porsche is the faster car.

Gotta love the wrong and strong mentality

[Tervuren]

Pssh.

If you really want 0-60MPH go with a rocket powered rail sled.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by speeder

Hell, let’s make it a 3000 mile trip, NY-SF. The Tesla would see the 911 going the other way, going home.

I doubt I'll be seeing any electric car attempting to see a new cannonball record. LOL!

My pool player honorary nephew has a chevy Volt. His trip planning calculations are a source of amusement to me. But for him, it seems to work as long as he plans really well. He even calculates elevation changes and the car's ability to regenerate on steep downhills...it's fun to listen to him talk about it...the tricks he uses to extend range, etc.

To me, it sounds like a pain...much easier to watch a fuel gauge, pull up to a pump and say "fill er up." I offered to race him in Cindy's entry level Camry...simple rules...Hwy 20 from Lebanon, Oregon to Burns Oregon and return. That's around 490 miles round trip. I'd make the same race offer to any Tesla.

(edit) To each his own...but for me? No more Porsches in my future, and no electric cars either.

[RWebb]

you'd better withdraw that offer within 3 years

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

I doubt I'll be seeing any electric car attempting to see a new cannonball record. LOL!

I would not understimate the effort that might get directed in that direction.
Looking at some of the dollars and masses involved in current attempts they could have road side forklifts and a ready to go battery change every couple hundred miles.

It is what I had to do, in scale, when racing electric against gas RC.
They could probably make a cooridnated battery pack hot swap faster than a conventional fuel station fill up in your mustang.
It'd take huge expendature, but crazy money and time investment is already being spent on the cannonball already.

Afterthought, is the cannonball about driving it?
Any rule I don't know about that they couldn't pony express it?
Team going from an prepped car to prepped car at each stop.
$$$, but hey, winning is winning.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by RWebb

you'd better withdraw that offer within 3 years

In 3 years, if I live that long, I'll be 80. Really, I was just pointing out the primary shortcoming of electric cars today, not 3 or more years hence. I doubt we'll see 500 miles range electric in your time frame. Such a race today would give an old dog plenty of time to stop, get out, and water the sagebrush before continuing...

[jorian]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

In 3 years, if I live that long, I'll be 80. Really, I was just pointing out the primary shortcoming of electric cars today, not 3 or more years hence. I doubt we'll see 500 miles range electric in your time frame. Such a race today would give an old dog plenty of time to stop, get out, and water the sagebrush before continuing...

It's already here.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1129699_141-070-tesla-model-s-plaid-to-deliver-more-than-500-miles-of-range-1-100-plus-hp-sub-9-0-second-1-4-mile-time

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

In 3 years, if I live that long, I'll be 80. Really, I was just pointing out the primary shortcoming of electric cars today, not 3 or more years hence. I doubt we'll see 500 miles range electric in your time frame. Such a race today would give an old dog plenty of time to stop, get out, and water the sagebrush before continuing...

Its funny, people like to point out the shortcoming that is just something that really isn't a shortcoming to most people. I'm willing to bet you Paul in your scenario of a race, there is no way at 77, you ain't stopping to take a leak and stretch out a bit. Now I'm just playin with ya, and at 53 I'm just as easily speaking for myself. But I'm not driving that far without stopping. Not how I travel.. We have 2 EVs and a few ICE vehicles. We drive the EVs 99.9% of the time. With daily commutes of less then 100 miles, our 250+ mile range is more then enough to commute, run errands and get home with plenty of battery. Not sure where you live in Oregon, but according to Google from Lebanon to Portland is 80 miles. You could round trip that on a charge no problem. Thats real life use.

Most people don't drive 120mph on their commute to work, most don't do repeated runs to 60mph and most people on this board don't have real life experience owning a EV. But its interesting that most people with real life experience enjoy owning a EV and more times then not buy another one.

One thing we do have in common, I'm not interested in owning a new Turbo either.

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Originally Posted by jorian

It's already here.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1129699_141-070-tesla-model-s-plaid-to-deliver-more-than-500-miles-of-range-1-100-plus-hp-sub-9-0-second-1-4-mile-time

Deliveries will begin at the end of 2021.

how reliable is Elon and his friends on these promise dates and specs? Not being flipant genuinely curious.

This car isn't already here though. Currently you only get 300ish miles range and the car is Much slower.

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by aschen

how reliable is Elon and his friends on these promise dates and specs? Not being flipant genuinely curious.

This car isn't already here though. Currently you only get 300ish miles range and the car is Much slower.

That was for the Plaid+ with deliveries at the end of 21. The long range with a range of 412 and the Plaid with a range of 390 miles and 1000 🐎, 0-60 of 1.99 are supposed to start being delivered end of this month/middle of April....We'll see how true that is....

The 2020 Model S performance has 335 miles of range and goes 2.3 0-60. We live in crazy times when any car that goes 2.3 0-60 is much slower then some other daily driven car.

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I hear ya, but the current 10.3 or whatever is positively glacial compared to the promised 8.999