Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 11304245)

Consider yourself priviliged komrade to have never realized even now the origin of the expression.

Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 11305791)

The inability of some people to see this statement as reasonable and factual is disturbing.

Originally Posted by Norm K (Post 11305807)

Origin schmorigin! What matters is how it's widely used and understood colloquially.

Unless, that is, you want to argue that you're such a language originalist that if your new neighbor told you he was gay you would immediately assume he was happy.

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 11305811)

Pretty sure that no one disagreed with the parts you highlighted.

Chauvin made the biggest mistake. He should have taken his medals of valor and gone to a small town in Arizona to finish up his career rather than work in the inner city...or maybe just let Floyd drive away stoned. Maybe have just let him beat his head against the inside of the police cruiser as he had been doing. Maybe just walk away and let the rookies handle it. I'm guessing he did not intend to hurt or to kill anyone...but I cannot read his mind. I guess the jury thought otherwise. It must be hell to be a LEO in a big city today.

Originally Posted by MMARSH (Post 11305455)

Ok thats all good. But had Chauvin simply reassessed the situation at some point, which is his duty, Floyd wouldn't have died under his knee. What was the plan? What or who exactly was Chauvin waiting for? What the hell was he doing!!!

This wasn't some situation where he had a split second to make a decision with limited information, yet be judged by people who have all the time and information in the world to pick apart and critique your actions. He had plenty of time to change direction, he had input from other officers already there, (as well as the crowd) that maybe another course of action would be correct. Hmm, I'm kneeling on someone who has been extremely vocal about not being able to breath and now I've noticed that he's no longer vocal or squirming under me in any way. Nah, I won't reassess. I'll just continue doing what I'm doing.....He made zero attempt to check him. He had to be told to get off him when paramedics arrived. How long did he plan on kneeling on him......

Police work has changed in the almost 30 years I've been a cop, but I have zero worries of ever being in a scenario like that. Chauvin messed up and he will pay for it the rest of his life. Deservedly so.......

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11305843)

Instead, he chose to kneel on the guy's neck for close to 10 minutes while he was pinned down in the prone position on the street with 3 large cops on top of him, handcuffed behind his back.

Originally Posted by Norm K (Post 11305807)

Origin schmorigin! What matters is how it's widely used and understood colloquially.

Unless, that is, you want to argue that you're such a language originalist that if your new neighbor told you he was gay you would immediately assume he was happy.

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Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 11305228)

Think of everything he's got away with and

Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 11306721)

OK, tell me all the things you FACTUALLY KNOW he did. Please provide links to document these "facts"
You sound like a CNN analyst complaining if President Trump walked on water that he didn't know how to swim. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by MMARSH (Post 11305455)

Ok thats all good. But had Chauvin simply reassessed the situation at some point, which is his duty, Floyd wouldn't have died under his knee. What was the plan? What or who exactly was Chauvin waiting for? What the hell was he doing!!!

This wasn't some situation where he had a split second to make a decision with limited information, yet be judged by people who have all the time and information in the world to pick apart and critique your actions. He had plenty of time to change direction, he had input from other officers already there, (as well as the crowd) that maybe another course of action would be correct. Hmm, I'm kneeling on someone who has been extremely vocal about not being able to breath and now I've noticed that he's no longer vocal or squirming under me in any way. Nah, I won't reassess. I'll just continue doing what I'm doing.....He made zero attempt to check him. He had to be told to get off him when paramedics arrived. How long did he plan on kneeling on him......

Police work has changed in the almost 30 years I've been a cop, but I have zero worries of ever being in a scenario like that. Chauvin messed up and he will pay for it the rest of his life. Deservedly so.......

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11305843)

Or he could have just arrested the guy using accepted police practices which would have included calling paramedics in the beginning when it was apparent that the suspect was acting irrationally and going through something. Police officers do not need to be trained psychiatrists or MDs, all they need to do is involve the appropriate partners, (FD paramedics), when they recognize that someone is not right or acting strange.

Instead, he chose to kneel on the guy's neck for close to 10 minutes while he was pinned down in the prone position on the street with 3 large cops on top of him, handcuffed behind his back.

Hard choice, I know.

Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 11305973)

Have you learned nothing from this thread? THAT WAS HIS SHOULDER BLADE!!!! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr (Post 11307222)

Small detail but... I don't think he actually put his hands in his pockets at any stage.
His hands looked like they were in his pockets because he had black plastic gloves on.

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