You mean the unarmed young lady (veteran) protestor that was murdered by the BLM-supporting capitol cop? The only one that caused that death was him. All he needed to do was arrest her.

No one said he 'deserved to die." I was just correcting the known misinformation that has been spewed. The truth is that his actions di ultimately cause his death.

I don't believe Chauvin was trying to kill or even punish the man. Just subdue another large, stoned, resisting, violent felon...just like every other day...and then get on with his life...go get a beer. Chauvin could no more have predicted that outcome than any of us. Folks generally don't die when you use a nonlethal hold prescribed by policy then codified and encapsulated in training. LEOs and others have used that hold for decades without change of policy or training.

The guy was on the ground with hands cuffed behind his back. The cop was a di.khead and deserves to rot in jail.

He wasn't charged w first degree murder. He was found guilty of the charges he was charged with and they were appropriate. None of them involved intentional murder.

Really?

You are saying he should get extra punishment to make a point with the public (rioters)... That is a not justice. IMO he deserves a manslaughter conviction but the jury knew anything less than full murder conviction would cause more riots. He screwed up and is now a pawn in a race war.

Let me make a silly exaggerated example. Sally is caught shop lifting. They do a public execution to scare future criminals from shoplifting. Sally received an unjust penalty for the crime committed to make a point.

"throw under the bus"
"throw him to the mob"
these are angry rhetoric that are not measured justice.

You keep saying this and it doesn't get any truer or more correct. It was wrong the first time and the 43rd time.

After passing a counterfeit bill, getting behind the wheel of a car stoned, overdosing on illegal drugs, attempting to destroy evidence, lying to police, assaulting policemen and resisting arrest (all knowing he was infected with COVID). Seem his actions were contributory to me. If he had been a law-abiding citizen or not resisted arrest, he would have never met Chauvin.

What was wrong? It was all testimony at the trial. I thought you watched it,

Yes, make an example of this wigger. Think of everything he's got away with and how he's made other people's lives hell. Sure he's been tried only on situation, but throw the book at him. Consecutive sentances, then a prison number on his little white cross in the prison graveyard.

As just as the verdict may be, the problem is the elected officials who insert themselves into the judicial process with their chorus of hate. The verdict has a high chance of being thrown out on appeal. As I say, that is what was wrong with this trial.

Ok thats all good. But had Chauvin simply reassessed the situation at some point, which is his duty, Floyd wouldn't have died under his knee. What was the plan? What or who exactly was Chauvin waiting for? What the hell was he doing!!!

This wasn't some situation where he had a split second to make a decision with limited information, yet be judged by people who have all the time and information in the world to pick apart and critique your actions. He had plenty of time to change direction, he had input from other officers already there, (as well as the crowd) that maybe another course of action would be correct. Hmm, I'm kneeling on someone who has been extremely vocal about not being able to breath and now I've noticed that he's no longer vocal or squirming under me in any way. Nah, I won't reassess. I'll just continue doing what I'm doing.....He made zero attempt to check him. He had to be told to get off him when paramedics arrived. How long did he plan on kneeling on him......

Police work has changed in the almost 30 years I've been a cop, but I have zero worries of ever being in a scenario like that. Chauvin messed up and he will pay for it the rest of his life. Deservedly so.......

Like I said, the guy was on the ground with his arms cuffed behind his back. Chauvin deserves to rot in jail.

^^^Seems more than reasonable to me.

I don't have your experience...and am glad I have not had to subdue civilians in public on a regular basis...which would be very difficult. I have used that hold and had it used on me and never really been concerned about my safety of that of another. It was just uncomfortable and made me (or the other party) stop struggling fairly quickly (encouraged compliance). One can control the weight applied from almost bodyweight to light as a feather if they keep a good balance. As they struggle less, you reduce pressure but keep in the position so you can apply more if necessary. Seemed pretty humane compared to other ways to restrain/subdue a larger man on the ground. Maybe I am just a lucky fool.

That said, I imagine he thought he was acting appropriately at the time. I have no idea what was going through his head. That the guy was faking, that he was putting no pressure on the shoulder blade and had his weight on the other leg, the hold was policy and trained by the department so it must be ok, etc. I have seen similar quite a few times under different (not LEO) circumstances where other circumstances (like the surrounding crowd distracted a person and minutes seemed like seconds. Guy pull the pin in a grenade and then freeze and don't toss it or turn around at the firing range while their weapon is still blazing on full auto. Or a mistake like shooting a man with their gun thinking it is a taser....or maybe a kid that had a toy gun or had just tossed theirs and turned around in the dark. It was a tough position to be in and things were not as they seemed at the time. Fog of war. I just don't see the intent (beyond reasonable doubt) that would be needed for this conviction (2nd Degree). There is simply no motive...unless you conclude racism or sadism, and there was no evidence of either produced at the trial. Of course, I am neither LEO or Attorney...

Your beliefs are wrong and that testimony rang very hollow (aka seen as BS) with 12 reasonable people.

Witness testimony...under oath. Not necessarily my beliefs.

How do you conclude that any of the 12 were reasonable since you do not know who they are or much about them? Is your test of reasonableness that a person agrees with you? The fact that most seemed to live in Minneapolis yet knew little about the situation and seemed to claim that the looting, burning and rioting of last year made little or no impact tells me that some probably were either not totally honest or not sane. Reasonable seems to not be the first adjective I would come up with. If honest, then perhaps no better than "uninformed."

Someone can be completely informed about current events and still agree to listen to evidence in a case without prejudice. Not everyone is as ideological as you. The fact that someone has an impression of a defendant or a crime does not preclude them from being a fair juror. I'm sure that you think that you could have sat on this case...the rest of us are not so sure.

Because they sat there and listened to the testimony from both sides...ya know, like an impartial (as you admitted) jury is intended. The riots were not on trial. A murder was.

As I've stated before, everyone here should fear a jury trial because someone completely incapable of being impartial might show up on theirs.

The inability of some people to see this statement as reasonable and factual is disturbing.

So sitting there made them reasonable? Seems a pretty low bar. Chauvin did the same. The riots were not on trial but they seem to have influenced a lot of people around the nation/world. Billions of dollars of damage/expenses and billions more spent to bribe terrorist groups to play nice (which rarely worked). I would say that they have had some influence on almost everyone in this country...one way or another. Particularly those in affected cities/neighborhoods. That is why I believe the venue should have been changed and the jurors sequestered for the entire trail.

Yes, a jury trial with this much baggage is very scary.