Karma, it’s a b!tch.

[john70t]

Fixed from within or fixed from outside? Because neither one seems to be happening right now.
(I've got my own opinions on the source of this and why.)

[Rtrorkt]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Assuming the gun owner bought their weapon from a licensed dealer. Also, seems these rules are enforced in, what appears to be, a shoddy method. Nut cases who bought their weapons legally have gone nuts and killed many innocent folks.

Just walk into a “swap” meet, no need for any of those pesky rules

[speeder]

You can tell that most of these right-wingers are disturbed just from their online behavior on this forum. The guy who posted that meme is one hard slap away from being on the 6 o'clock news.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Rtrorkt

Assuming the gun owner bought their weapon from a licensed dealer. Also, seems these rules are enforced in, what appears to be, a shoddy method. Nut cases who bought their weapons legally have gone nuts and killed many innocent folks.

Just walk into a “swap” meet, no need for any of those pesky rules

Clearly you don't understand what it means to have a concealed carry permit as nothing you wrote has a damn thing to do with getting a legal carry permit.
Much like the BS gun show loop hole, Liberal BS fantasy. Anyone who has ever been to a gun show or sold at a show understands that one, there are tons of police officers generally attending as well and not just the ones hired for the show.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Clearly you don't understand what it means to have a concealed carry permit as nothing you wrote has a damn thing to do with getting a legal carry permit.
Much like the BS gun show loop hole, Liberal BS fantasy. Anyone who has ever been to a gun show or sold at a show understands that one, there are tons of police officers generally attending as well and not just the ones hired for the show.

This is hilarious. I’m a concealed carrier and yes I have to go through background checks, interview with the local sheriff blah blah blah but I don’t have to prove I can handle the weapon, at least not very well.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by upsscott

This is hilarious. I’m a concealed carrier and yes I have to go through background checks, interview with the local sheriff blah blah blah but I don’t have to prove I can handle the weapon, at least not very well.

That is wear personal responsibility comes in.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Rtrorkt

Assuming the gun owner bought their weapon from a licensed dealer. Also, seems these rules are enforced in, what appears to be, a shoddy method. Nut cases who bought their weapons legally have gone nuts and killed many innocent folks.

Just walk into a “swap” meet, no need for any of those pesky rules

You are parroting a straw man argument the MSM is spewing out but there is no legitimacy to it. The great majority of guns sold are through licensed dealers who must do the background checks. If the dealer is selling at a gun show they still must to the background check. The percentages of legally purchased guns being used in heinous crimes is minuscule!

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by speeder

You can tell that most of these right-wingers are disturbed just from their online behavior on this forum. The guy who posted that meme is one hard slap away from being on the 6 o'clock news.

Personal insults do not substantiate your opinions and I can assure you that I have all my faculties in control. I am going to question your hubris as to how you think you have the ability to judge me because you disagree with my opinions (which are as a rule, the norm of the mainstream American majority).

[thor66]

comments by the Mayor Elect of NYC might be relevant here

he's Black and Blue BTW

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by upsscott

Curious, do you know anything about the dead kids backstory? Was this kid a “Thug” as you say? I mean Texas is most definitely an open carry state so him possessing a gun is literally encouraged there.

Nope. Right now you have to have a permit to conceal or open carry.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Purrybonker

Yes but? Why does the "assailant" have a gun? I call this a win against the Second Amendment (which we all know has absolutely zero reference to this type of scenario - I refer you, sir, to the actual wording of the Second Amendment and I'm a Canadian so feel somewhat inadequate in purporting to edify you on your own laws)

In Canada (the second most individually weaponized nation, after USA, on the planet), we have about 10% of the annual gun deaths of the USA - do you get a clue at all? Or do you just stand by your "kill or be killed" philosophy regardless of the permanent, unrelenting mayhem such philosophy endlessly results in, year after year?

The 2nd Amendment is all about self defense. I think the driver of the SUV exercised his right to self defense.

[Fast Freddy 944]

Originally Posted by A930Rocket

A road-rage incident in Texas turned deadly when a motorcyclist pulled a gun — only to be shot by the other driver in what authorities are treating as an act of self-defence, according to reports.

The fatal chain of events unfolded last Friday on the I-35 highway in Fort Worth, when the biker, 19-year-old JaDerek Gray, was weaving his way between rows of vehicles, an illegal manoeuvre that’s known as “lane-splitting,” Fox4 said.

At one point, an unidentified SUV driver began changing lanes, forcing Gray to swerve to avoid a collision, CBS DFW said. Gray passed several cars and parked his motorcycle, blocking the northbound traffic — then reportedly began walking back toward the SUV while pointing a handgun at the driver.

The SUV driver told Gray to put down the gun because there were kids in his car. But the biker kept coming, so the other man drew his own handgun and opened fire, hitting Gray multiple times, according to reports.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/motorcyclist-pulls-gun-in-roadrage-incident-gets-shot-dead-by-other-driver/news-story/b764f5694d6579f8ca87b04fbbbbd09c

Road Rage shootings in Texas? Nah. LOL! Hint, if you are an out of stater moving to Texas, and you piss another driver off, be careful. Loose the attitude, out of staters, Texans dont mess around. Good luck!

[Captain Ahab Jr]

As an out of countryer some US laws just seem completely f****d up to me

Lucky for me I can't even comprehend carrying a gun for self defense while going about my daily stuff. All seems a bit 1800's wild west era.

In the UK I've never once worried or thought that someone may want to shoot at me as I feel safe in my home, neighborhood and all parts of my country I travel around so never worry I'll be threatened with a gun or that I might be a victim of a shooting

When I travel to other less developed parts of the world the majority of Americans wouldn't dream of visiting on holiday I'll admit to being more observant of my surroundings and people around me. Might be just luck but so far have never got myself into any situation where I felt threatened

I'm 100% not anti-gun get the 2nd amendment is important to many folk but just as an observation it doesn't sound like an enjoyable or freedom friendly way to live

[Tobra]

If you want to understand, you only need to study the genesis of the 2nd Amendment to do so

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

As an out of countryer some US laws just seem completely f****d up to me

Lucky for me I can't even comprehend carrying a gun for self defense while going about my daily stuff. All seems a bit 1800's wild west era.

In the UK I've never once worried or thought that someone may want to shoot at me as I feel safe in my home, neighborhood and all parts of my country I travel around so never worry I'll be threatened with a gun or that I might be a victim of a shooting

When I travel to other less developed parts of the world the majority of Americans wouldn't dream of visiting on holiday I'll admit to being more observant of my surroundings and people around me. Might be just luck but so far have never got myself into any situation where I felt threatened

I'm 100% not anti-gun get the 2nd amendment is important to many folk but just as an observation it doesn't sound like an enjoyable or freedom friendly way to live

Cap'n, while it may appear to be the old Wild West you'd need to spend time here to realize that life here simply isn't as the media represent it. Full disclosure ... I live in a township of approx 20,000 souls and 90% white (the nearest larger town is 90% PoC and 9 miles away). We are an ex-urban largely forested town with a habit of tending toward Rockwellian habits, well we try. Gun ownership in town is a given.

Last night was our town festival, food, alcohol, music and fireworks. Everyone gathered onto the school field. No fights, no arguments, the black and hispanic families freely mingled amongst the white, all kids running around laughing. Not one instance of trouble last night or in the 40 years that I've been attending the festival.

My point is that not all of the US is plagued by gun violence. Some of us live peacefully. Sure our PoC population is low and we do have knuckleheads amongst us but we don't go to our guns at the first provocation. In fact, in the time I've lived here there have been two shootings... total.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Flatbutt, was expecting and hoping your experience is what life is really like for the majority of the population away from what is reported in the news, thanks for confirming

In the UK there was a huge shift by the government to remove hand guns from the general population after the Dunblane school shooting back in 1996 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

Personally I think the government seized the moment and did the right thing, that moment has long passed in the USA as it would be an impossible task with too much money at stake too

Just to emphasis the point I'm not anti-gun in the slightest, enjoy a shoot with 9mm up to 50 cal hand guns at a range when I can and shooting a 50 cal sniper rifle is right near the top of my bucket list

Plenty of hand guns in the UK are in the wrong hands of inner city gangs who tend to shoot at each other.

I find some of the topics discussed on here fascinating so follow many threads with interest despite knowing nothing about the topic

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

Flatbutt, was expecting and hoping your experience is what life is really like for the majority of the population away from what is reported in the news, thanks for confirming

The homicide numbers bear out Flat's opinion.

I can recommend you find some articles by Heather Mac Donald. She writes extremely well and breaks the issue of gun violence down into fact based analysis.

Best.

[upsscott]

A world where people settle disputes with gunplay is not a world I want to be a part of. That’s what this thread is about. Not whites vs blacks.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by upsscott

A world where people settle disputes with gunplay is not a world I want to be a part of. That’s what this thread is about. Not whites vs blacks.

Yet that is all you think about from whatever safe haven, Valhalla, you post from.

I don't.

We have a problem so ignore the data at your peril. We know the "what", now let's discuss the "why" shall we. You up for that?

[thor66]

Originally Posted by Tobra

If you want to understand, you only need to study the genesis of the 2nd Amendment to do so

It was created so the southern states could deal with slave uprisings. That's why the militias were placed under state control, not federal.