What is the consensus on mandatory vaccines?

[javadog]

I listened to a presentation yesterday by a doctor that was testing all of his patients, one week post jab. He was seeing elevated D dimer levels in nearly 2/3 of them. The spike proteins that were supposed to stay in your arm, aren’t.

He thinks those people are headed towards pulmonary hypertension.

[Sooner or later]

Which doctor. Link?

[javadog]

Didn’t save it. I’m sure Google could find it for you, they’ve never censored any news, now have they?

[Sooner or later]

So, nuttin.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by javadog

My oldest son was forced to take one, if he wanted to remain employed.

You mean he chose a job over all the horrible side effects you know about AND YOU DIDN’T TALK HIM OUT OF IT? WTF is the matter with you?

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

So, nuttin.

Why is it that all the ****ing idiots here I think it’s my job to educate them? I visit 300 or 400 sites a day, I’m not going to go back through all of those to look for a link for you because you’re too ****ing lazy to find it yourself.

I’ve given you enough info that you could find plenty of information on it, if you wanted to.

If you don’t, that’s no skin off my nose, either.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

You mean he chose a job over all the horrible side effects you know about AND YOU DIDN’T TALK HIM OUT OF IT? WTF is the matter with you?

He’s 38. I give him all sorts of advice, some he takes and some he doesn’t. We believe in freedom of choice and personal responsibility in my family. I’m not going to live his life for him.

My advice to you is that you should go out and get three or four more boosters, you can’t have enough.

[island911]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

No anger.

I'm just pragmatic.

Nope. You're angry. Palpable.

I mean, when you go to the Oh yeah? Well yer too stupid to live and I don't care. position, everyone can see your emotional anger.

[island911]

I mean, seriously...

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

I'm not afraid of the unvaccinated.

Natural selection should address a chunk of that.

Hopefully an obscenely large chunk.

I'd say it was nice knowing you but that'd be a lie.

You are going to rely on Natural selection to kill the people that you fear... and that's why you don't fear them.

got it.

[javadog]

By the way, I suggest that all the idiots read up on ADE.

That’s the next little nugget of bad news headed this way.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by javadog

My advice to you is that you should go out and get three or four more boosters, you can’t have enough.

I’ll be like your son and ignore your advice.

[island911]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

I’ll be like your son and ignore your advice.

They probably got the dosing right in those first few weeks of testing.

But what if you need even more?

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

I was at a dinner the other night in somewhat mixed company. CV19 and vaccines came up in discussion.The most virulent toward anti-vaxxers was a trumper. Wish they would all get covid and die was said. Everyone agreed. Interesting data point I think.

This is contrary to my experience, both here and in real life.

What did they think about mandatory vaccines?

Originally Posted by speeder

One reason is that the antibodies do not seem to stay in your body very long after a bout of COVID-19. Testing people for antibodies, (which even if present may not be there in a week or a month), is not a practical or workable solution for preventing the spread of this virus.

Anyone with a modicum of Public Health knowledge would not need this explained. Vaccines are the only way to defeat this.

Anyone who understands native immunity from exposure to a virus being superior to the immunity from a vaccination knows better than this.

Originally Posted by greglepore

I am strongly pro vax. I agree w/ wd's sentiments regarding natural selection. But I think mandating vax is abhorrent.
OTOH, I have no problem w/ the gov saying no civil privileges-ie public education, mass transit, dining out, whatever for the unvaxed.

So coercion and creating our own apartheid state is okay, but mandating it is abhorrent. Interesting take.

Originally Posted by javadog

Just to be clear, I’m not talking about large clots, like those that might contribute to something like a stroke. I’m talking about damage to the capillary walls on the microscopic level, something that won’t show up well with radiology and is affectively something that you cannot fix.

Small vessel disease, such as is seen in diabetes, is not amenable to treatment or repair. Tends to make you blind or your fingers/toes turn black.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Tobra

This is contrary to my experience, both here and in real life.

What did they think about mandatory vaccines?

Understandable since we both have such huge and diverse sample sets.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

I believe a vaccinated person can contract and carry the delta variant, but generally don’t get seriously ill from it. Even if they don’t get seriously ill themselves they can infect others.
At this point I’m ready to give up on the anti-vaxers and let natural selection take its toll. My brother is one of them. I would hate to see him suffer, but damn, you can’t fix stubborn. It’s like the story about the guy in the flood.

From what I've read it all depends on the severity of the case as to whether a vaccinated person is capable of spreading it or not. And then that all goes back to what sort of reaction they had to the vaccine dose 1 and 2. The theory goes; the stronger the immune response, the more antibodies, the more antibodies the less viral load if you get infected. The less the viral load, the lower your chance of spreading viral particles.

[javadog]

The bad news is they have figured out the vaccinated people more often than not have higher viral loads when they get the virus after being vaccinated.

This is going to get ugly in ways that the smarter doctors had warned about, only to be ridiculed by the mainstream sheep.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by javadog

The bad news is they have figured out the vaccinated people more often than not have higher viral loads when they get the virus after being vaccinated.

This is going to get ugly in ways that the smarter doctors had warned about, only to be ridiculed by the mainstream sheep.

Really? Who figured that out? What study found that to be the case? Lemme guess... "I ain't tellin!"

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by speeder

Of what? That antibodies from having COVID-19 are temporary and cannot be counted on to stay in your body? Yes, I’m sure. Maybe do the 21st century equivalent of cracking a book sometime and research it online. Be careful of “news sites” that have Trump ads, though.

As I’ve mentioned here before, several members of my family have had the virus, 100%, not the “I think I had it back in 2019” stories. They have all gotten vaccinated as well because they are smart and listen to informed medical professionals as opposed to idiots on some car forum.

IDK bruh. CNN says the antibodies are good for 6 months.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Really? Who figured that out? What study found that to be the case? Lemme guess... "I ain't tellin!"

It’s in the news. If you don’t stay abreast of the news, why do you come here and discuss these things?

Even the big boys like NBC have mentioned it.

[Baz]

"Despite following CDC [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] guidelines and being fully vaccinated, I tested positive for COVID-19 on Monday,"

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/20/texas-democrats-washington-coronavirus/