I wasn't just talking about doctors....I was talking about all medical personnel.

This is from end of June, so a bit outdated....

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210628/huge-number-of-hospital-workers

Little more current (July 21 article, updated Aug. 3):

More Hospitals Are Requiring Workers to Get Covid Vaccines

From the same article:

That last comment is what I'm saying. If you really want to convince everyone.......lead by example. That's all I'm saying.

Vaccines are not the answer for this problem. Treatments are. Yet another prominent virologist seems to support that idea:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/08/13/sir-andrew-pollard-uk-senior-vaccinologist-outlines-futility-of-trying-to-stop-covid-variants-or-chase-herd-immunity-with-vaccine/

Sir Andrew Pollard
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/13/covid-boosters-dose-vaccine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
8/13/2021

There’s no evidence yet that top-up shots are needed, so let’s help those around the world who urgently need the vaccine
Andrew Pollard is director of the Oxford Vaccine Group at the University of Oxford; Seth Berkley is the chief executive of Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance

Vaccines have brought hope. Their development is a triumph of science; the manufacture and deployment of 4.4bn doses by a handful of developers is astonishing, joyous. In the UK alone, 87m doses have been administered, saving more than 84,000 lives. Globally, the number of lives saved by vaccines is expected to be in the millions.

As we see in the daily case numbers, the virus that causes Covid can still infect vaccinated people. Cyclically infecting immune individuals is fundamental to the biology of human coronaviruses. This is not in itself a cause for alarm. The vaccines are still providing high levels of protection against severe disease. Our immune systems have been trained by vaccines to respond when exposed to the virus, even if antibody levels have fallen. So instead of being concerned about whether people will be infected, we should be concerned about whether that infection could lead to serious disease, hospital admission, or worse.

It is highly unlikely that vaccine protection against severe disease will suddenly fall off a cliff and the ongoing pandemic will be catastrophically rebooted. Small mutations in the virus will occur to help it survive better in vaccinated populations. But those mutations don’t render our vaccine immunity impotent. We are still protected from severe disease caused by the main variants that have emerged. So far.

This is not an all or nothing argument

For those that do not want to take the vaccine, there is Ivermectin. Inexpensive, safe, works.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/indias-ivermectin-blackout

https://ivmmeta.com/

https://c19ivermectin.com/

News of India's defeat of the Delta variant should be common knowledge. It is just about as obvious as the nose on one's face. It is so clear when one looks at the graphs that no one can deny it.

Yet, for some reason, we are not allowed to talk about it. Thus, for example, Wikipedia cannot mention the peer-reviewed meta-analyses by Dr. Tess Lawrie or Dr. Pierre Kory published in the American Journal of Therapeutics.

Wikipedia is not allowed to publish the recent meta-analysis on Ivermectin authored by Dr. Andrew Hill.

Furthermore, it is not allowed to say anything concerning www.ivmmeta.com showing the 61 studies comprising 23,000 patients which reveal up to a 96% reduction in death [prophylaxis] with Ivermectin.

There is a blackout on any conversation about how Ivermectin beat COVID-19 in India. When I discussed the dire straits that India found itself in early this year with 414,000 cases per day, and over 4,000 deaths per day, and how that evaporated within five weeks of the addition of Ivermectin, I am often asked, "But why is there no mention of that in the news?"

Wow! ^

If I get the rona, which I probably won’t because I’m vaccinated, and I get sick enough to see a doctor, which I won’t because I’m vaccinated, and my doctor suggests using goat wormer(ivermectin)to cure it, I will then be open to it. None of this will happen because, you guessed it, I’m vaccinated. Also, I trust nothing in the way of news that comes out of India.

Just stumbled onto this.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-08-11/ivermectin-no-effect-covid

Ivermectin, the latest supposed treatment for COVID-19 being touted by anti-vaccination groups, had “no effect whatsoever” on the disease, according to a large patient study.

Yep and HTF would all of these conservative, non-vaccinated people be dying of Covid right now?? All they would have to do is ingest some Ivermectin and !PRESTO!...no more Covid. :rolleyes:

It’s more complicated than that. Some of these treatments are probably highly effective with lower viral loads and early on in the progression of the disease.

I remember studies of HCQ where they were giving it to patients that were will down the road from initial symptoms, I think they were all pretty much on their last legs when they were given the HCQ and of course, it did nothing for them.

edit: yep ^ (typing at the same time..)

A lot of effort (LA times) to say "Don't look at that man behind the curtain!!!"

Like other prophylactic options/ treatments, they do not work when the onset of the condition has progressed.

How easy would it be to demonstrate with a study that condoms don't stop pregnancy after she's been inseminated? -ergo, condoms don't work...

Oh, so Ivermectin is only a prophylactic treatment?? :confused:

Here I was reading some of your posts, (you and others), as saying that it was "an effective treatment for Covid19..." That is one fking lot different from saying that something is an immune booster, like Vitamin D, (supposedly).

It is amazing to me how far some of you will go to feed a conspiracy theory as opposed to following actual guidelines as they evolve. The conspiracy here of course would be that there are a number of effective treatments for Covid that the big bad government doesn't want us to know about, which is complete bullschit. If an actual effective treatment came along, it would be a banner headline in every paper in the world. You would not have to search sketchy conspiracy web sites to find it. For fk's sake. :rolleyes:

This whole discussion is mind numbing. I have coworkers drinking goat wormer because they don’t trust scientists. Covid has definitely dumbed down a big portion of the population.

So then you are confused on the word prophylactic

...For fk's sake. yadda yadda insult insult...

Those people were dumb long before covid but now they’re flying their flag.

It went from being a virus to being an IQ test.

Kung flu jab is still investigational. FDA was never going to do anything but approve it. It has always been a foregone conclusion.

Shame how disinterested people are in forcing an ineffective shot that is not all that safe. Heart disease in formerly healthy young people, no problem. No chance in hell does the crew selling this crap every come clean, none

The important thing to remember is that the deep state is hiding the effective treatments and dangers of the vaccines. That’s what you need to remember.

If data similar to this vaccine was in a vaccine for the common cold it would be pulled in a heartbeat. Risk from the vaccine would be far greater than the risks from a cold.

The risks of the covid vaccines are definitely higher that what we would like to see, though the risks from the vaccine are far, far less than the risk from a covid infection.