The vaccine

[Baz]

FWIW, I sent a PM to Eric, letting him know of the problem.......

[island911]

Originally spewed by pavulon

People like island are waiting for a government agency they do not trust to formally approve a vaccine that they do not trust made by an industry which they do not trust before not getting vaccinated by people they do not trust anyway. Effectively, they are here to perpetually stir shiz about something they have zero intention of ever receiving and to harass anyone who is vaccinated. Yet, if they become sick, they will not tough it out at home. Instead and if it becomes bad enough, they will go to the hospital and become someone else's problem only to complain about their "god-given right" to medical care not meeting their standards while exposing all who disappoint them. A neat little trick.

My risk to the China Virus is very low. And I do avoid hospitals.

But quite the imagination there.

Oh, and all I have to do to not get it is wear a holey piece of cloth over my face.

[Arizona_928]

I think the issue is the amount of misinformation and contradiction of policy. Throw in lack of transparency and data. Doesn't help the power struggle of fed to control the population of states that are essential united yet independent. This whole schit hurricane has shown a fracture of the sovereignty of the state from feds.

[pavulon]

island, you're no threat to the virus and your obsession with masks in a thread about vaccines again exposes your proclivity to inflame and obscure discussions as well as your marked impairment for rational thought, much less discussion.

[Chocaholic]

Let’s test your proclivity for rational, civilized discussion Pavulon.

Our previous administration brought rapid and effective funding to develop the vaccine as quickly as possible. At the same time its policies brought us energy independence, low gas prices, a thriving economy and virtually no inflation or unemployment. The southern border was secure and there was immense focus on our security.

Your rational and civil thoughts?

[island911]

Originally spewed by pavulon
island, you're no threat to the virus ...exposes your proclivity to inflame and obscure discussions as well as your marked impairment for rational thought, much less discussion.

You throw a diminutive slight my way and then pile on even more about proclivity to inflame and obscure discussions as well as your marked impairment for rational thought

Project much?

[pavulon]

This seems to be a vaccine thread which predictably has attracted people who want to turn it into a political discussion or turn it into a pizzing contest for the butt hurt. I accept and apologize for my part in that and will leave it there.

[speeder]

This popped up on my IG feed this morning, today's Covid tragedy. They are coming fast and furious right now. Now according to Island, this guy must not have had a functioning immune system because that's all it takes to defeat the "Wuhan virus."

The other pics were of him in a track suit on a motorcycle on a track. Does he look like he is part of some "vulnerable group," which according to some are the only people who need to protect themselves from this mostly harmless virus? That has a 99.9999% survival rate?

[speeder]

Get vaccinated, people. Don't listen to the conspiracy theory loons. I'm tired of the stupid.

[Baz]

Looks like our forum didn't get vaccinated!!!

[Baz]

Everyone's situation is different.

Go to a risk calculator and see what it says. Here's mine:

https://covid19risktools.com:8443/riskcalculator

COVID-19 Mortality Risk Calculation

Based on the information you have provided, the tool estimates that you have 0.92 (95% CI: 0.84 - 1.0 ) times the risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to the average risk for the US population.

Based on the estimated risk, you are categorized to be at Closer to or lower than average risk based on the following chart:
Fold-Risk Risk Category Color Code
<= 1.2 Close to or lower than average
> 1.2 to <= 2 Moderately elevated
> 2 to <= 5 Substantially elevated
> 5 to <= 10 High
> 10 Very High

Further, based on the information available from pandemic projections in your state of residence, the tool estimates an absolute rate of mortality of 2.5 (95% CI: 1.5 - 4.4 ) per 100000 individuals in subgroups of the population with a similar risk profile to yours during the period of 07/17/2021 - 08/06/2021. This estimate is calculated based on the CDC's Ensemble mortality forecast data..

*95% CI: Error bounds with 95% confidence.
=========

In other words.....I'm in the lowest possible risk group.

[island911]

Thanks for the calculator Baz.

Based on the information you have provided, the tool estimates that you have 0.16 (95% CI: 0.14 - 0.17 ) times the risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to the average risk for the US population.

This popped up on my IG feed this morning, today's Covid tragedy. They are coming fast and furious right now. Now according to Island, this guy must not have had a functioning immune system because that's all it takes to defeat the "Wuhan virus."

The other pics were of him in a track suit on a motorcycle on a track. Does he look like he is part of some "vulnerable group," which according to some are the only people who need to protect themselves from this mostly harmless virus? That has a 99.9999% survival rate?

An over-weight SMOKER...


oh wait, he was seen in a track suit. Well, that changes everything. - Has all objectivity left you Denis?

And to answer your Q directly, YES. Yes he does look like he is part of some "vulnerable group," This thing is especially hard on smokers.

[speeder]

He wasn't overweight, you fking loser. And the photos are of him in a motorcycle racing suit, on a racing bike.

Has all humanity left you, or did you never have any to begin with?

[island911]

He wasn't overweight, you fking loser. And the photos are of him in a motorcycle racing suit, on a racing bike.

And not a smoker either? - Where ya going with this absurdity?

I see that you are keeping up the ass-hollio identity.

[island911]

Because nothing says FITNESS like wearing a motorcycle racing suit, on a racing bike.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by mdj930

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-says-74-25-of-recent-covid-cases-on-cape-cod-were-in-fully-vaccinated-people/ar-AAML5hT?ocid=uxbndlbing
Looks like the majority of covid cases in cape cod were vaccinated. What's the spin on this? Mike

It all depends on which test you are given. Simple exposure will set off the PCR test, because it is that sensitive. They are doing too many doubling cycles, up to 40. Every 10 doubles = 1024 times the sensitivity. At 40 cycles, you have multiplied the virus by a factor of a Trillion.

The vaccine does not stop you from getting exposed. It is not a shield. It gives your body the tools to fight the virus.

How many of those people developed symptomatic COVID? How many hospitalized.

Look the the NY Post cover. Those that develop severe COVID after vaccination, requiring hospitalization, is miniscule. That that die of COVID after vaccination are even more miniscule. A thousand or so out of 161 Million. That is 1 in 161,000 or about 0.00062%.

We are constantly passing stuff back and forth and our immune system generally knocks it down. And even for unvaccinated population, about 80-90% are are exposed and are PCR positive, never show symptoms.

Finally, for those that test positive, the CDC changed the "return to society" criteria last summer. It used to be 2 negative PCR tests. This had people isolating for 6-8 weeks! They changed it to 10 days after exposure after no symptoms or 7 days after symptoms end. You will definitely test positive, but you cannot transmit the virus.

Everything needs to be put in perspective. And all NEWS programs are trumpeting the virus news in the ways that sells more advertising. If it bleeds, it leads.

Misinformation is more than telling things that are untrue. It is also portraying incorrectly or exaggerating information to lead to a wrong conclusion.

[techman1]

Does a mask "Save" you? When did you hear that, Island911?

With a mask, there is less particulate getting out from an individual. If you are standing next to someone infected, and they don't know it, you better hope they have a mask. It may be they have been vaccinated, but because of that, they are non-sympto. Have you been vaccinated? Now you better really hope they are wearing a mask.

And you are in a low risk for death group? What group are you in for respiratory complications after you beat the virus? I don't know if they are able to calculate that, possible crap shoot.

And the doubters about the safety of the vaccine, because of the shortcuts and speed during development. There was discussion among some doctors I know. They said meetings and work was happening after hours, and on weekends. Vacations were put on hold. Massive amounts of money were thrown at its development. Will there be reactions to it? Are you serious? Of course there will be.

So, here it is in a nutshell:
People who got vaccinated, might catch the virus. And recover with less / no after effects.
People who are not vaccinated might catch the virus. Might recover / possible after effects.

I see some posts about vaccine complications.
I see many more posts of complications and death from the actual virus.
Which group do you want to be in?
It is all up to you and your personal beliefs, but don't kid yourself, your decision to not get the vaccine affects more than you.

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by cstreit

...if you read the research - even the vaccinated can spread it. It is HIGHLY spreadable with massive viral loads.

Yes, but...

All adults have had the opportunity to get vaccinated. In the US, it is free and there is no obligation after you get the jabs. There are enough people who have been vaccinated to see that the vaccine is NOT deadly and does not have any adverse side effects.

Children under 12 cannot be vaccinated against COVID-19 just yet. HOWEVER, the mortality rate on children is extremely low. They are not as susceptible to severe sickness and death from COVID-19 as people who are older. The same older people that have high availability of the vaccine.

If you haven't gotten the vaccine, and you get sick, that's on you and no one else. YOU are responsible for whatever happens to you, not the state, not the government, not anyone else - but you. You made that decision to not get vaccinated, and if you get sick, you cannot plead ignorance.

I do not wear a diaper to protect a baby from soiling himself - similarly, I don't want to wear a mask to protect someone from getting a virus when they have had every chance to obtain protection themselves.

That said, I will continue to wear a mask when I am with people that are most vulnerable. Case in point: I visit a nursing home weekly with my friend to spend some time with her mother and aunt who are suffering from alzheimer's. While 80% of the residents of that nursing home have been vaccinated, I do not to take any chances with them.

Just my $0.42...

[island911]

^sanity ^ Even with the absence of flu (2020) the flu has killed more kids than covid.


techman1, you really enjoy swimming in FEAR

[island911]

In addition to massive immunization, we have had this virus making the rounds, for coming up on 2 years, building natural immunity in people with functioning immune systems.