The vaccine

[cstreit]

I guess if you've experienced multiple people you know dying of Covid, and others that were quite healthy with long term issues from surviving you feel differently about the vaccine.

[Baz]

I think the forum forgot to wear it's mask!

[island911]

The vaccine availability is absolutely fantastic.

What is not fantastic is the absolute FEAR pushing people to insist that everyone MUST get it.

Same goes for putting masks on children. Same EXTRAPOLATED FEAR.

I could point to the 10's of thousand car deaths and extrapolate and shriek about how kids are in huge danger getting on a school bus. They MUST be kept home and safe! ...and be just a bit less ridiculous.

[ckelly78z]

Are we finally starting to see more of the division that they wanted to create coming too fruition.

-vaccinated vs unvaccinated
-masked vs unmasked
-MSM trolls vs the reasonable
-Democrat vs Republican

I'm rather surprised that there isn't some sort of wearable (scarlet V) insignia to indicate which group you fall into....other than a MAGA hat !

[island911]

Yeah, the riling up vaccinated people to hate on the unvaccinated... that is so messed up.

If you are vaccinated how TF are the unvaccinated a threat to you?

And if the world is such a threatening place, go covid cower and STFU.

[cstreit]

Fear sells very well indeed.

I don't know CNN - tell me what was the one thing that I should know about the vaccine?

Tell me Guardian - what happened to that non-vaccinated person?

Tell me Fox - what are the 3 things we didn't know about the virus?

[pmax]

The ongoing vaccine injuries are very real.

Can’t force everyone to take the experimental genetic shots.

It’s as simple as that.

[Baz]

(The New England Journal of Medicine article from May 2021)

Covid-19 Vaccine Injuries — Preventing Inequities in Compensation

Katharine Van Tassel, J.D., M.P.H., Carmel Shachar, J.D., M.P.H., and Sharona Hoffman, J.D., L.L.M., S.J.D.

Ordinarily, it takes scientists about 10 years to develop a vaccine. By contrast, the pharmaceutical industry has worked toward emergency approval of Covid-19 vaccines in a matter of months. With 44,000 participants enrolled in clinical trials for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine and 30,000 in clinical trials for Moderna’s vaccine, common side effects that occur fairly soon after vaccination are likely to be identified. But this abbreviated development timeline provides little opportunity to identify potential adverse events such as joint pain, anaphylaxis, or neurologic conditions such as encephalitis, transverse myelitis, or Guillain–Barré syndrome that might occur in the longer term or that are rare enough that they probably won’t be discovered until the vaccine is distributed to a substantial portion of the public. Vaccine-related adverse events would especially burden low-income people, who have limited financial resources to obtain medical care, weather any resulting job loss, and pursue compensation and who are disproportionately non-White.

The United States has developed a robust system for vaccine-injury compensation to alleviate the burdens of adverse medical consequences of vaccines. But this system will be unavailable to people who receive Covid-19 vaccines during the declared public health emergency. All potential vaccine recipients, and especially people in high-risk communities, therefore face a dilemma: should they risk becoming infected or risk having a vaccine injury without sufficient access to compensation?

Normally, once the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approves a vaccine and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends it for children or pregnant women, injury compensation is available for any recipient through the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). The VICP covers the majority of vaccines administered in the United States. This no-fault program was created to provide an alternative legal avenue to ensure quick and fair compensation for vaccine injuries and to insulate manufacturers from liability to encourage them to pursue vaccine development. In many cases, claimants who develop recognized symptoms within a certain time frame after vaccination don’t need to prove that the injuries were caused by the vaccine, which leaves in question only the extent of damages. Successful claims and attorneys’ fees are paid out of the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund, and they have exceeded $4 billion to date.1 Since 2015, the fund has paid out an average total of $216 million to an average of 615 claimants each year.

The declaration of a public health emergency by the Department of Health and Human Services in March 2020, however, resulted in exclusion of Covid-19 vaccine injuries from the VICP. This declaration triggered the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act, a federal law that requires that all people injured by vaccines given as countermeasures during a declared emergency bring claims under only the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP). The CICP is far less generous and less accessible than the VICP. It compensates people for only the most serious injuries, has a higher burden of proof than the VICP, has a 1-year statute of limitations after the date of vaccination, and limits awards for damages. For example, the CICP limits lost-income recovery to $50,000 for each year out of work and doesn’t include compensation for pain, suffering, or emotional distress.

As a result, people who are vaccinated during the declared public health emergency will be less likely to obtain compensation for injuries associated with Covid-19 vaccines than they would be for injuries from vaccines included in the VICP. Furthermore, the process for pursuing compensation will be lengthier, more difficult, and more expensive because reimbursement for attorneys’ fees is unavailable. People vaccinated during a declared public health emergency can never pursue injury claims under the VICP, even if their symptoms manifest or are linked to the vaccine after the declaration is lifted.

Low-income people and people of color typically shoulder the greatest burden during public health disasters and their aftermath, and the Covid-19 pandemic has been no different. Racial and ethnic minorities are more than twice as likely to die from Covid-19 as White people, and mortality is much higher in high-poverty areas than in wealthier ones.2 It will therefore be acutely important to rapidly vaccinate members of minority and low-income populations.

More here:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2034438

[pmax]

Speaking of not believing the government stats ...

[Chocaholic]

Tried risk calculator. Got “unexpected error” three times. I’m domed!

[3rd_gear_Ted]

Darwin:

Rule 3# There is variations among individuals of a species

Rule 4# Individuals with traits best suited for the environment will survive.

Getting vaccinated is a trait IMO.

Not getting vaccinated is just a demonstration of variation IMO

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by island911

Yeah, the riling up vaccinated people to hate on the unvaccinated... that is so messed up.

If you are vaccinated how TF are the unvaccinated a threat to you?

And if the world is such a threatening place, go covid cower and STFU.

Hmm, I don't recall anyone riling up vaccinated people to hate on the unvaccinated.

You don't want the vaccine, that's your call. I won't get mad, angry, whatever based on the choices you make in your life, provided it doesn't have any adverse effects on me. If you go unvaccinated, that's your call, I respect that, and I won't get into your business about it.

BUT - asking me to wear a mask because someone else is ok with not getting the vaccine is senseless.

Asking me to wear a mask to protect the unvaccinated it like asking you to wear a condom when I have sex with my wife. Science simply doesn't work that way!

[Paul T]

Originally Posted by cstreit

I guess if you've experienced multiple people you know dying of Covid, and others that were quite healthy with long term issues from surviving you feel differently about the vaccine.

This really isn’t talked about enough…..everyone likes to focus on the death rate, but the number of people who survived, but continue to have health consequences many months later, is not at all insignificant. Not just talking about loss of taste or smell, i think I saw where something like 10-15% of all covid patients have ongoing lung issues after they “recovered”.

[speeder]

Do I have to wear a condom when I'm having sex with your wife?

Ducking...

[Rikao4]

Originally Posted by Z-man

Hmm, I don't recall anyone riling up vaccinated people to hate on the unvaccinated.

well we've been called enemies of the state..
and few other choice things..
been suggested we wear a label..
maybe a little Covid badge..
perhaps barcode to make it easier to track us..
make our lives as miserable as possible..
I've heard..
so..


Rika

[javadog]

Those of us that get the vaccine are making this problem worse, not better. And they’re making it worse for all of us. This article explains why:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243127

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Tried risk calculator. Got “unexpected error” three times. I’m domed!

That means you need to get all versions of the vaccines, twice, and likely injected into your buttocks.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by javadog

Those of us that get the vaccine are making this problem worse, not better. And they’re making it worse for all of us. This article explains why:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243127

That amazingly ill-informed writer seems to think that vaccinated persons will contract Covid at the same rate as unvaccinated persons. She doesn't come right out and say that, but if you think about her "argument" it depends on that assumption.

So, do some research and you'll find the data. I grabbed the screenshot of Virginia data below because it was quick and easy to snip, but if you want to read the detailed data, start at the CDC website.

[jyl]

[javadog]

Originally Posted by jyl

That amazingly ill-informed writer seems to think that vaccinated persons will contract Covid at the same rate as unvaccinated persons. She doesn't come right out and say that, but if you think about her "argument" it depends on that assumption.

So, do some research and you'll find the data. I grabbed the screenshot of Virginia data below because it was quick and easy to snip, but if you want to read the detailed data, start at the CDC website.

That wasn’t written by a woman, so I’m going to disregard the rest of your analysis.

Keep up the good work.